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Posted By Stephen Boardman
Is it just me or am I being a little sensitive? over recent months I have seen questions being raised from individuals who are thinking about getting into health and safety to people who have been in the industry for years therefore from very little knowledge to very experienced professionals. In some cases especially when questions come from people who have little knowledge some of the so called professionals come back with snide remarks like (what a useless thread) or (just condesending remarks relating to the thread) yes I agree some threads should not be here (maybe this one) so just ignore them but if people are genuinally seeking advise and you have something constructive to give then give it, if not just ignore and move on, I read some of the remarks sometimes and cringe, are we becoming a snob ridden profession who have forgotten what we were like at the beginning of our careers. I know I have put myself in the firing line for this one so bring it on.
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Posted By Peter Lee
I do not have a problem offering advice on these forums and indeed have done so on many occasion, but one thing that does infuriate me is the "not wanting to reinvent the wheel" type threads.
Take the HSG65 thread in the study support forum, (please take the HSG65 thread), no seriously why dont people have a go at doing one themselves its a lot more rewarding than taking a copy and trying to present on it.
Or what about the does anyone have a risk assessment for Fork Lift Trucks, New and Expectant Mothers, Legionella, etc etc.
Whilst I'm at it does anyone have a dissertation I could look at, I dont want to copy of course just don't want to reinvent the wheel ?!?!
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Posted By Stephen Boardman
Agreed Peter, the people I am talking about are the minority. I have asked for and been given some good advice over the years on this site. and like yourself given advice.
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Posted By J Knight
I'm quite capable of writing a policy or RA or procedure on most H&S stuff in my field BUT it can be very helpful sometimes to see what other people have done. I have no problem with people asking for documents on this forum, I have asked and at times have been generously provided for (thank you, thank you Ron!). Surely part of the point of a forum like this is to drive up standards, and sharing best practice is part of this; after all, I never just rebadge a document and claim it as my own, it always has to be rebuilt to meet my employer's circumstances and to match our corporate style. If I have anything to offer, i will share it, and I expect that some people will contyinue to share with me,
John
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
I think we should help where we can. I have asked for help from this forum and received it - thank you and have also shared my own documentation with other members which I hope was useful.
Most H&S people are quite stretched for time and if someone has already considered all the aspects of a task you have to complete then why start again at the beginning? Most people will take what is available and then apply it to their own circumstances, add a bit, delete a bit and use it. I agree that risk assessments are somewhat different when they are dealing with particular groups ie pregnant women, etc as each risk assessment has to apply to its own environment, people, etc so generic ones don't really work - but a template for a risk assessment is a different issue and should be shared.
Then of course you get the real idiots - least said the better about some of them ...
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Posted By colin
As a mature student in Health+Safety,(Recovering from injury and studying the nebosh gen. cert in hope of career change).
I have been using this forum for months and occassionally ask questions on here aswell as reading other posts submitted.
On the whole I find the majority of replies genuine and helpful, on other occassions I do wonder why I want to be involved in a profession who indulge in the petty squabbling of "I'm better than you" or I've got more letters after my name than you" attitude that the minority seem to have and treat us lesser mortals as something they just trod in, which doesn't help attract new persons into the H+S profession.
I hope to complete the gen cert in June and continue onwards and upwards, I'll take this moment to thank those of you who help us beginners and to those minority who think you're better than the rest of us, ........."Guess how many fingers I'm holding up !"
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Posted By DavidHaddon
Eleven?
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Posted By colin
School let the kids out early today ?
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Posted By Paul Hay
Totally agree Stephen.
I am a relatively new user of this forum, but have found it very useful - it even gives me the odd giggle now and again. If someone is posting a genuine, serious question it drives me mad to read someone being dismissive of it, regardless of how basic it may appear.
I know when I first started out I was more than grateful for advice (still am) and am more than happy to offer it where I can.
Its the old issue - what is obvious to one person may not be to another. Is there a single safety practitioner out there who hasen't had to ask advice from another at some point. I'm sure there are a few, but these are probably the same people who post snidey remarks on this forum.
Paul
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Posted By Sylvia Tyler
I sometimes cringe at the questions - but if I can help will, I suppose some people cringe at my questions, but I look at it as a learning curve.
If I read questions where I think people are being idle, I ignore them, if it is ignorance I will assist if I can, but sometimes others can put you off responding by posting some sacarsm as to the way you have offered help.
Safety isn't black and white - it can be open to many interpretations so it is interesting to get constructive feedback on ideas. The HSE have different views in different areas so I suppose so will safety advisers.
Perhaps the site should be signed "Considerate Advisers only"!!
Sylvia
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Posted By Merv Newman
Where I think that the question is a bit simplistic, I tend to ignore the posting and leave it to others. Where I think I can help, particularly from practical experience, then I will do my best to give a solution or practical comment/case history.
30 years ago I got dumped into the job. Had been quality manager, was now EHS manager. First job was EINECS (remember that) then occupational health, then SMS. Got audited every year on OH, on SMS, on COSHH (before COSHH was a twinkle in someones eye) then transport of hazardous materials and waste disposal. (we stuffed all of ours off to the London Brick Company at Bedford)
You have to learn on the job. If this chat show had existed at the time then I would have been on-line all day, every day.
So, there are no stupid questions. I don't know if I feel any sort of obligation, but if I can help any one in the profession, then my photos, my forms, my model documents my deepest introspections are yours for the asking.
Particularly if I think you are pretty. (Peter, Geoff, George, nah. Zoe, yeah !)
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Posted By Steven Mellor
I have received much help and excellent advice in this forum from genuine, interested people. However there are many pedantic 'know-alls' in the profession who like nothing more than to come back with smart a**e, unhelpful replies and that really annoys me. Nobody in the profession is beyond learning and that really is what the forum should be about.
Will somebody help me down from my soap box?
Steve
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Posted By Merv Newman
No, but we may kick it away from under your feet.
sorrrry.
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Posted By Heather Aston
Only after we've assessed the risk of Steve falling from a height though.
Steve - there are always smart arses in every profession - just ignore them and move on - even they were new to the business once although they probably wouldn't admit it.
I do find it a bit frustrating though when the same question gets asked several times over. It does seem that some people can't be bother to look back further than page 1 or use the "search" facility sometimes.
However I will help if I can - we all have to learn somehow (and most would agree we still are)
Heather
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