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Posted By Merv Newman
Have received an invitation to IOSH 05 from Lawrence Waterman.
My reply was as follows :
Dear Lawrence,
thank you for your invitation to join 1000 (is that all ?) attendees at the IOSH 05 conference. I regret that I will not be accepting as 1) the cost is too high and 2) the content does not interest me. (Did you really invite Dupont to tell how they strike the fear of god into their employees ?) Dear me, you must be desperate.
Merv Newman
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Posted By Iain W
Why call it an invitation then charge you for the priviledge of attending. That's like inviting your friends around for a meal and then saying oh the fillet steak cost me ............. and so on, so that'll be 45 pounds each please - alright maybe slight exaggeration we'll say 40 pounds each !!
Iain
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Posted By Roger
Yes Merv - 1,000 from 27,000 or so possible, is pretty poor - however it would appear that Neil Budworth is looking to change things - questionnaire recently sent out - lets hope so anyway.
Roger
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Posted By SIMON HOWES
Dear Mr Waterman,
Like Merv I shall not be attending because the content is not interesting and even if it were the price is too high.
I am also aghast to find the following instruction in the middle of the application form
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NB: In order to comply with health and safety requirements it is essential you indicate all of your chosen breakout sessions at the time of booking. *
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Apart from the fact that the main effect will be to waste firmen's time and risk their lives looking for people who have got bored with their breakout session and are actually in the pub, it is an appalling thing to write in an IOSH document, leave alone one entitled 'Red Tape or Green Light'.
Perhaps another year
Simon Howes
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Posted By I G Hutchings
Hello,
I just want to make two comments in response to Merv's posting. Firstly (as far as I am aware) DuPont are not speaking at this conference. I believe the gentleman you are referring to is an independent consultant and not employed by DuPont.
Secondly, I can understand that there may not be aspects of the conference that interest you; but perhaps there are people who are less experienced who may find something that is of interest and furthers their development.
Kind regards,
Ian
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Posted By DW
Can the 'less experienced' afford to attend if not on an experienced safety practitioners wage?
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Posted By Daniel Stonehouse
I can only agree with the majority of posts, in that the price is absolutely astronomical! The LARGE MAJORITY (so I believe, forgive me if i am wrong) of members are either affiliate or retired: I personally am a member because in addition to a NEEBOSH certificate (which I have), and a degree (halfway there), and experience (not so easy), for me to take a position in Health and Safety employers are adamant that I need to be a member of IOSH. Now I am sure IOSH is a great organisation, and I do not want to upset anybody but I have to be a member and so I am - and that is as far as it goes. Perhaps in a few years I may come to realise some benefits from membership, I certainly hope so.
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Posted By Merv Newman
Ian,
I checked back to the original message from Lawrence Waterman, and must accept your comment that it is not dupont presenting but probably an independant consultant (in which case they should really not label it "dupont" but "an independant consultants interpretation of the dupont method")
I used to be a dupont in-house consultant, flogging "the dupont way" to other companies. It works fine inside DP, and outside, but very very tough to put in place from scratch.
I'm even more still not going
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Posted By Sylvia Tyler
To those that are inexperienced - you won't get much experience from attending.
Practical advise is what we need - not more utopia theory that someone gives lipservice to.
Where do you get real experience - not at any conference I've attended.
Merv - shall we have our own day out to share experience!!
Sylvia
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Posted By Merv Newman
Attendance at IOSH 05 suddenly seems a much more attractive proposition.
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Posted By Lynchy
Evening All
I'm not much of a conference attender myself - I like to be getting on with my work generally but if I consider that a particular conference or seminar might be worthwhile (ie I might learn something) then I do try to make time.
On the whole, I share the views expressed here and I must say I do hope that IOSH take note of these kinds of comments - it does seem to me that some people (myself included) feel that IOSH is becoming somewhat remote from the real thing - ie day to day grassroots H&S.
Anyone else hold this view??
Lynchy
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Posted By Richard
I have held such a view for some time.
The term "Self Perpetuating Oligarchy" springs to mind
Richard
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Posted By Peter Lee
£1000, strewth, might just run this past the missus.
"Sorry darling but that 2 week holiday we had planned for us and the kids, well I'm going to have to cancel it as I am going to the IOSH conference in Cardiff instead. You don't mind do you?"
Nope, I wont be going either,
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Posted By David A Jones
How did you come to the figure of £1000 - as a member it is £500 + vat. Even with hotel costs etc it does not come to £1000.
Ok still not cheap, but for a two day conference seems reasonable to me - there also appears to be a wide range of topics being presented on plus the opportunitty for significant networking.
I suspect most delegates will be sponsored by their company - clearly there will be others who don't enjoy such benefit, but that doesn't mean it has been wrongly priced.
Individuals need to decide whether the content would be of benefit to them and whether the cost is justifiable - I presume that sufficient numbers think this to be the case otherwise it would continue to run.
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Posted By Gordon Thelwell
Speaking as a 'on the ground and real world' health and safety chap (NEBOSH DiP), i do not see that attending this 'old boys club' at such a cost would give me anything above what i can find here on this forum, at the free seminars at the NEC Expo or find for myself on the web.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Good points, for the average joe there is nothing for them, good for consultants, good for theologists, good for LA people, but useless for anyone else.
Cost in reality is quite comparable to other institutions, it is quite near to Celtic manor anf harrogate was near Rudding park
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Posted By Nigel Hammond
I think I IOSH have done a good job. There is lots of variety on this conference.
I'm not sure what 'on the ground' means. Are you saying you go round doing inspections and risk assessments. I don't. I co-ordinate, advise and set up management systems so people manage health & safety themselves.
I think it is enevitable that as you get more experienced and knowledgeable you pick-up less learning points at courses and conferences. However, I'll be surprised if there aren't some useful nuggets of information to take away and use 'on the ground'.
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Posted By Smurfer
Dave..
"good for consultants" ???
not if it's costing me around two days fees to go, plus two days when i'm not earning fees... so lets call it four days shall we. now I can see it's easily over £1000 for the two day conference.
I won't be going either.
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Posted By Andy Petrie
In response to Daniel's comments on the benefits of being a member of IOSH:
We all know it's the back 40 pages of the SHP mag.
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Posted By Stephen_S_Edwards
I must admit, I have seen the 'invitations' from Lawrence via post, email and SHP mag.....I never read them, which is just as well - £500 + VAT!!!!!! OMG : o.
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Posted By Adam Jackson
£500 is taking the ****. If its a conference for IOSH members then I'm more of the opinion there should be no fee at all. If its a money-making scheme for IOSH then the fee is entirely explainable.
Sadly in H&S we have IOSH who while good most of the time do venture off with the fairies occasionally (see previous venting on the 2m rule), and on the other hand RoSPA who cry wolf far far too much and make all involved in safety seem like a bunch of wet scare-mongering morons who want the world to be padded with cotton wool. The reasonable middle ground is unrepresented.
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