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Posted By Ian Smith
We have engaged the charity training agency Avoidd to deliver training to educate our car drivers in the effects of alcohol consumption. We have made attendance compulsory. I have been asked,
1) by a teetotaller (of 20 years, he tells me) if he really must attend?
2) whether Muslims and holders of faith with similar ideals, who do not drink alcohol as a matter of principle should/need to attend?
what do folk out there think about this?
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Posted By J Knight
I would ask everybody to come along. Teetotallers may have useful constributions to the debate, and as for muslims etc; well, I'm nominally a christian but I have been known to work on Sunday. Most of the muslims I've discussed this with have been personally very strict about alcohol, but not everybody keeps their professed faith absolutely all the time,
John
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Posted By Zoe Barnett
I agree, invite everyone. Even those who choose not to drink alcohol can add to the debate, especially when discussing the effects of drink-driving on the victims of accidents.
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Plus, if something does happen, they cannot claim ignorance because they were excused from the training session.
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Posted By Stephen Boardman
The course would be useful to all teetotlers/Muslims etc. Learning how to avoid D/D is not only avoiding it yourself but also being able to spot the signs in others.
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Posted By Aidan Toner
Not to cloud the training topic with illicit drugs and driving which may be a seperate training module-It is possibly valid to talk about the affects of prescription drugs and general wellness to drive-eyesight,diabetis,dizzyness etc. Hey presto, you have introduced appropriate additional training matter and widened your potential subject group.
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
I particularly like the ideas from Zoe & Stephen.
The real trick of course is to win these people over so that they want to attend rather than feel forced to attend.
Often a buffet or just tea & biscuits can help in this regard.
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Posted By Aidan Toner
No Johnathan-That takes you back to offering strong drink again!
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
Ian
I wonder to what extent may this be an instance of failing to adequately distinguish means/ends.
Is the target goal simply reducing 'drink driving' or the more positive one of very safe driving?
With 'safe driving' as the goal, you may achieve more with a good talk by the Institute of Advanced Motorists who not only address a hazard to some but also the psychological and physical skills all car drivers can usefully consider.
As a current earner-member of the IAM, I'm v. impressed with the quality of coaching they offer.
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Posted By steve e ashton
Sorry, but I may have missed something in the responses to this thread?
Surely the point of training is to deliver information to a selected audience in an attempt to change their behaviour in some way?
Ian - you have already been selective in inviting your audience - you are inviting car drivers - so you have chosen not to invite pedestrians and cyclists (or motorcyclists?). You have already decided the training is aimed at those who create the risk rather than those who suffer the consequences? So your tee totallers (poor golf swing there I'm afraid), muslims and other believers should be seen as another category of consequence sufferers rather than risk creators? So I don't think they should be obliged to sit through this training - what is the behaviour the training is trying to modify?
Of course, if the training is aimed at society at large to extoll the virtues of an alcohol-free existence, you should invite everyone except the TTs and muslims etc.
Looks like I'm the only one out of step so far...
Steve
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Steve,
I think what you say is fair, if you can guarantee the following:
Tee totallers have never and will never fall off the wagon.
Muslims have never and will never disobey the teachings of Mohammed.
If such events are not forseeable, then fair enough, do not include them in the training.
However the very fact that we are discussing it suggests to me a certain degree of forseeability.
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Posted By Sarah Stones
For fear of adding an additional complication to this discussion, it's worth remembering that some religious groups may be offended by discussions on alcohol so beware of discrimination on religious grounds.
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Posted By Andrew Perrett
Any training delivery should come back to identifying the Training Needs of the students. If the training is to purely state that if you consume alcohol, it could have an adverse effect on your driving skills, then a cost/benefit approach would state that it may be pointless in non imbibers taking part.
If your training is to examine the broader issues of alcohol impairment in the workplace then an awareness of reasons for alcohol (or drug) consumption; such as stress, excessive workloads, isolation etc., along with the reporting procedures and occupational health support available that are detailed in your Policies, would obviously benefit all employees, whether they consume or not
Andrew
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