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Posted By Steve Ireland
I recently discovered that one of our agency's are charging their employees for replacement PPE.
I was wondering how they avoid the stipulation within the regs that PPE should be provided free of charge.
The only way that i can see this is if they are of the view that they are providing ppe under sec 3 of HSWA rather than sec 9 and see their staff as self employed rather than direct employees.
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Posted By Jason McQueen
Or as part of a uniform as opposed to PPE...
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Posted By Heather Aston
Steve
I would suggest that if this really is PPE as opposed to uniform and it is not, for example safety shoes provided on a cost basis but not required by the job, then the Agency is breaking the law.
Can you give us an example of the type of PPE that is being charged for?
Heather
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Posted By Steve Ireland
Its safety shoes. Recently an agency worker requested a replacement pair of shoes and the agency he works for are deducting it from his pay.
Their view is that he is not an employee of theirs but a self employed contractor. My argument would be that as they arrange his tax and insurance deductions (rather than he himself) he would/should be viewd as an employee. Their counterview is that as they do not directly control the guys work he isnt an employee but a contractor.
Which raises the question, as our company DOES direct his work, work he be viewed as an employee of ours?
The whole issue is bad practice regardless as its encouraging people to use defective PPE rather than suffer financial detriment. Its just an issue of who pays...
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Posted By Heather Aston
Steve
If they deal with his tax and NI then he's their employee not yours. I don't see how they can argue that he's self-employed. However I can sympathise with them not wanting to shell out for shoes especially as the same worker might be on the books of several agencies - why should one have to pay for the shoes?
For example RIDDOR reporting responsibility rests with them not with you (I have HSE's advice on this) although you should notify the agency of any accident.
You obviously still have responsibilities for agency workers on your site (as I am sure you are aware). We would certainly provide most PPE - hearing protection, respiratory protection, gloves, etc to agency staff on the same basis as we would to employees.
Safety shoes is an interesting one. If they have to be worn as part of the job, the employee cannot be made to pay for them. We have a company subsidy scheme for shoes which allows our employees to take advantage of the very favourable rates we get for purchasing safety shoes and we chip in a set amount of the cost. However, in areas where we REQUIRE the employee to wear shoes we pick up the entire cost. We also pick up the cost of replacement although we would ask questios if an employee was havig a new pair too often.
We have a safety shoe area where agency workers are employed on a regular basis. We have made it a condition of our contract with the agency that they make sure the workers they supply for that area come with safety shoes. We have sent one home who forgot his shoes one day. In most cases we find that the agency workers have their own safety shoes anyway, but I don't know who pays for them if they don't. Certainly not us.
Heather
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Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke
Hi
When looking at adverts for agencies, I have seen a lot of them (construction based) stating "must provide own safety boots". Something else I have a bee in my bonnet over. Ha, get my pipe and slippers!
Linda.
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Posted By robert daily
you're pipe and slippers ma'am.
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
Steve,
I think that you are missing point here. Agencies have long argued that under the H&S@WA they are not the employer and to some extent courts have taken the view that both parties (the agency and their customers) both have a duty of care.
Unfortunately it is not a simple case of who pays the tax or National Insurance is the employer.
Although Section 9 is clear, unfortunately it leaves a grey area when it comes down to agency staff. Unless your company wishes to test in court this section of the H&S@WA, I suspect it is your company which has a duty of care to provide the PPE for the agency workers that you employ.
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