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Posted By R Hindle
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is it the Health and Safety Managers responsibility for PPE (compatability risk assessments etc) or the buyers? i am constantly requesting certain numbers of PPE i.e 50 pairs of gloves and he refuses by buying them in packs of 10's, this all came about once the Health and Safety Manager sought out a new supplier for the same grading on all items of PPE with a saving of 25 / 30% on a years spend and the buyer is not happy that he done his job for him. advise please
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
Surely, the H & S Manager specifies the glove (based on the risk assessment) and the buyer buys them.
Paul
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Posted By Garry Malpass
I agree with Paul, once the H&S Manager has identified what standard of PPE is required the Buyer should shop around to find the best price for the quantity and specification required.
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Posted By TBC
I can relate to Ronnie's situation - I've been there and done the same as him. Why - I got fed up waiting for the particular buyer to get things moving. I got what I wanted (not substitutes) and also saved about 15% on the best price the buyer got. OK it's out of 'our' remit possibly and the buyer wasn't happy, but it got the job done.
Maybe I could have been diplomatic and waited, but when buyers have their meetings etc. and time is ticking away. I did it on phone.
You've probably taught that buyer a valuable lesson.
Well done Ronnie
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Posted By TBC
Whilst on the subject - watch out for buyers changing suppliers and types of COSHH related items. They often don't realise the implications on the assessments.
Regards
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Posted By Hilary Charlton
I agree that it is the H&S person's job to specify the item and the buyer's to buy it but do beware of people changing the spec of things - I have had the same thing which could have been disastrous with gloves. Thankfully averted.
Hilary
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Posted By Ron Hindle
my industry is the flat glass industry, i was given an instruction by my operations director to try and seek a better deal on all related PPE, having put endless hours working with this new supplier for the right type of gloves etc my overall saving is a quarter of last years spend, i also sit on a working group in our industry along with Glass Sector HSE to determine the cut resistance and puncture, we then send it out to industry for guidence.
i am somewhat dismaid that a buyer is in fact trying to prove to other members of the board that it is he that should make the decision on PPE and not me, i have a meeting planned on Tuesday 24th at 10.00am to try and resolve this. i am thinking of saying that if he wants to charge up the role of PPE then he must be willing to do all risk assessments for all tasks for the factory floor and assess the difficulty in finding the correct PPE for each individual such as vegitarian worker who wont wear leather cuffs and find out an alternative product to kevlar because some employees have a skin complaint and rashes when they come into contact with Kevlar. thanks for all your views.
Ron Hindle
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Posted By Liam Nolan
Hi,
You could also ask the buyer does he realise the risk he is taking in trying to take responsibility for sourcing the PPE?
Ok for a lot of things you can specify a BS or EN standard for he PPE to be manufactured to, but in the instance you describe, a safety pro with knowledge must make the decision.
I reckon it may be the fact that he see's his patch being invaded that is Peeing him off.
The fact that a non professional buyer can save significant sums must be the big one though!!
I think he is crazy to try to take responsibility for selecting PPE with out help.
Would it help if you got samples of two types of PPE - say a RPE mask - that look exactly the same but are rated for two differant things. Then explain to him wearing one will give you asthma or some other nasty Occ diesease. This despite the visual simalarity?
Or to make it even more light hearted (well maybe not light hearted) show him two condoms one from a cheap manufacture that may have faults or lower quality control, and then show him a good make - give him his choice in which wh would take to protect himself.
I know this last one is a non starter, but you could find something that would make sense to him to illistrate the point. For instance do you know if he has a hobby that requires choices like I have described? Sococer - shin gaurds cheap and nasty or pricy but protective?
Regards,
Liam
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