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#1 Posted : 13 June 2005 09:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Conway
One of our employees requires specs specifically for DSE use - it appears they are either bifocal or varifocal. Her optician has quoted £195 (without tint etc) which I consider excessive.

Can anyone give me some indication on the cost of basic frames and bi-varifocal lens. Also has ayone came across a situation where specs for DSE use in that price range would be reasonable.

Thanks
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#2 Posted : 13 June 2005 10:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By clez
Try Specsavers, you can buy vouchers off them. £195 is excessive
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#3 Posted : 13 June 2005 10:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Mathews
If the spectacles are exclusively for DSE work than you are liable for full cost. However, this only applies to basic frames with single vision lenses. If they require bi/vari-focal lenses you are still only liable for the cost of the part of the prescription that is specifically for DSE work. We use Specsavers and they can supply single vision lenses in basic frames for £39.00 + £17.00 for the eye test, so the maximum we contribute is £56.00. If they want bi/vari-focals, special coatings on the lenses or designer frames, etc. they pay the extra cost.

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#4 Posted : 13 June 2005 10:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Unfortunately Steve, you will probably need to speak to an optician to find out costs, although you are quite at liberty to shop around.

Assuming you have paid for the eye test, you should at least know the prescription you are looking for.

Paragraphs 85-89 of the HSE published guidance (cost £8.95 from HSE books) does cover this issue.

Briefly it states the employer is responsible for the cost of a basic frame & the prescribed lenses and only then for those bits which are attributable to the job requirements.

There you go, clear as mud!
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#5 Posted : 13 June 2005 11:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Sorry to disagree Richard, but employer is liable for cost of these prescribed lenses and basic frames. See L26, page 27, para82, "Where bifocal or varifocal spectacles are prescribed as special corrective appliances.... the employer is required to meet the costs associated with providing a basic frame and the prescribed lenses." (That's the whole prescribed lens - not a part of it!)
Steve, with a bit of shopping around and looking for discount offers etc, you could get this down to maybe £130, but before you go down that road, you need to look at the tasks the individual is carrying out and confirm this is the best option - see also page 27 of L26.
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#6 Posted : 13 June 2005 11:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Conway
Thanks for that last point Ron. I had just reread the guidance about the use of bi and varifocals and the potential problems. I suspect the problem could be resolved by the indivudual using a document holder rather than looking at printed materials on her desk. Her problems seems to stem from changes in focal length.

Steve
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#7 Posted : 13 June 2005 11:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Good one Steve. We try to build in a check which ensures a recent DSE Workstation Assessment has been conducted before anyone is authorised to go to our contracted optometrists.
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#8 Posted : 13 June 2005 11:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
But of course Ron, that's only your interpretation of the Guidance.

Para 88 says "employers need contribute only the costs attributable to the requirements of the job."

Which could of course be read in contradiction to your para 82.

Especially if the individual was taking the specs home or driving or reading a paper set of work instructions not available on the IT system.

Here's a question, if the company pays for the specs, must they be returned on termination of a work contract?

Like I said, clear as mud.
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#9 Posted : 13 June 2005 11:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Cross posted there folks.

I accept the point that there may be other potential solutions following assessment.
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#10 Posted : 13 June 2005 12:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Fair points Jonathan - guidance is far from clear and I'm aware from previous threads on related issues that there are different interpretations and opinions out there. I would only add that if I were one of the very few employees who, do to the nature of the work, required a specific prescription for work purposes to be added to my existing prescription, then I'd be a bit miffed if I had to fork out my own hard-earned cash!
Good point on ownership - these specs would be the 'property' of the employer!
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#11 Posted : 13 June 2005 12:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By P Wright
We provide staff who are prescribed spectacles solely for VDU use with an eyecare voucher. These can be exchanged at most big high street opticians for a pair of basic single vision lens spectacles. The vouchers have a value of £55 on them. Tinted lenses and other extras are not included in the price. If staff choose to go for spectacles other than the basic pair, then they can use the voucher in part payment.
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#12 Posted : 13 June 2005 12:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Conversely Ron, as a glasses wearer who would be unable to get to work without them, let alone read a VDU screen, I think it's pretty darn cheeky for an employee to request their employer to pay.

What next, my employer to pay for dental treatment on the grounds that I cannot do my job while suffering toothache?
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#13 Posted : 13 June 2005 12:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Keith Flockhart
Have you looked into using the ACCOR services voucehrs and eye care scheme. It seems to be working for us quite well so far
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#14 Posted : 13 June 2005 12:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By On Site Occupational Health Care
I have had a number of years experience in this area - including having owned my own optical practice so hopefully I can throw some light on it.

The directive is unfortunately not specific enough and could be subject to interpretation, however we do not for sure that there is no scientific evidence that using a display screen causes eye damage - it can cause eye strain and can make users more aware of pre-existing visual defects.

The number of people needing a prescription SPECIFICALLY FOR DISPLAY SCREEN USE is very small (around 2%). Many people may need to use their glasses for display screen work but that does not mean their prescription is specifically for display screen use.

It is important that you ask the employee's optician to specify clearly on a prescription whether spectacles are needed SPECIFICALLY FOR DISPLAY SCREEN USE.
(i.e) intermediate distance.

The legislation requires the company to provide a basic pair of frames and lenses if the employee falls into the small percentage of people who do need them specifically for intermediate distance. But even it is varifocals or bifocals the employer is theoretically only required to pay for the 'intermediate' part of the lens.

In my experience employers deal with this by offering the following:

either:

(a) a basic pair of frames and lenses with a single vision intermediate prescription cost around £45 - £60

(b) a contribution of around £45-£60 towards the individuals own specs whether they are single vision, bifocal or varifocal.

It is confusing, not least because people who need to wear glasses for vdu work cannot understand that this does not necessarily mean they have a 'specific prescription' for intermediate/vdu. Hope this helps.
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#15 Posted : 13 June 2005 13:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Weir-Ewing
I agree with Ron.

Employer needs to pay for the whole lens not just the part for DSE. Adocument holder is not always suitable in relation to large files for example. How tight can a company get – not a lot of encouragement for the staff is it if you say we will only pay for that bit and you pay that bit! Ownership – “bits/part of” would make that difficult. What would they do cut the BI piece off the lens? And retaining the specs if they leave - who would use someone elses?

£75 would be more realistic towards costs because I am sure you could not buy for any less.

Consider if they had to be safety specs what then?

Ccontracted optometrists – Its best to let people go to their own, that way there is no problem with records and any doubt of suitability v costs.

My god there are some tight so and so’s out there.


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