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Posted By Mike Craven
Good afternoon folks
I have an opinion on this, but would appreciate other views, please.
Brief background - We have a sports facility where users have a higher than normal risk of sustaining (usually minor) injuries, namely a ski centre. Users are warned of the risks, our instructors are qualified, appropriate maintenance regimes are in place, we hold the appropriate insurances, etc.
Brief details of the incident - Users falls (as many skiers, including the experienced ones do) and sustains an injury, fairly minor but requiring hospital treatment (fractured wrist).
Current position - Solicitor makes personal injury claim on behalf of client (the injured skier) and requests information, including copy of original accident form, accident investigation report, risk assessments, etc. BUT also requests copies of ALL previous accident reports from the ski centre for the previous 12 months!!!
I have concerns around Human Rights and Data Protection issues - our accident report forms -which are linked to an electronic database - contain personal data of injured persons and of witnesses.
Are reports of previous accidents - not connected to the case, and not occurring in similiar circumstances - disclosable? (Note: Without wanting to go too deeply into the particular case, there are circumstances fairly peculiar to the case - there are no witnesses, there is some debate about whether or not the person should have been where he/she was when the incident allegedly occurred, and it is alleged that the person didn't simply "fall over" as other accident reports normally state.)
Our ski centre managers and instructors are very "hot" on accident reporting, regardless of minor the injury/damage and we process literally hundreds of accident report forms each year. Does any claimant's solicitor have any right to have access to this information?
Many thanks
Mike
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I suggest the solicitor is merely 'trying it on' with this request for accident records.
A note of concern though with your suggestion that the injured person was 'in an area he was not supposed to be' - raises a question or two there.
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Posted By Mike Craven
Thanks Ron
Just to clear-up the area of concern, the injured person had merely gone onto the "advanced" slope rather than staying in the beginners/intermediate area as advised by the instructor.
Mike
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Posted By Lisa Fowlie
Mike,
(Assuming you are a member??) why don't you try phoning the health and safety legal helpline number on your membership card.
Costs nothing to you and would give you an authoratative answer. Just a thought.
Regards,
Lisa
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Posted By Joe Holland
Mike, pass all details onto your Insurers, do not pass any information onto the claimants Solicitor. Acknowledge the claimants solicitors letter and inform them that you have forwarded their letter to your insurers.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
The courts would allow access to records of SIMILAR accident book entries occurring within an agreed time scale - but as you recognised the names and personal details can be excised.
As previously commented, do not try to do it yourself pass it to your insurer. Do not respond to the letter even it is your insurers responsibility
Bob
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Posted By Chris Black
Ity is worth pointing out to less experienced forum members that this is a common tactic of the slightly less principled solicitors. They often try to panic a respondent by demanding enormous amounts of information in the hope that you don't seek legal advice and agree to a modest settlement rather than endure the time, trouble and expense of being hounded.
Always refer solicitor's letters to your insurer who will instruct a solictor on your behalf.
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Posted By Mike Craven
Many thanks for the responses guys, they are all much appreciated
Lisa - Yes I am a member. I am currently seeking to clarify the position re disclosable items via our legal services team, but might well seek legal advice from IOSH if necessary.
Joe - Yes, I do not deal with claimants solicitors directly, but always send information through our insurers.
Bob - Thanks, your comments clarify what I thought to be the position.
Chris - Concur very much with your comments about "slightly less principled" members of the legal profession. In fact, I would go further and add that there are some people out there who would obtain copies of accident books and report forms with a view to finding potential clients - although, I would add that I don't necessarily believe that this is the solicitor's intention in this case.
Finally, the reason why I sought advice on this issue - I am not an inexperienced forum member, but am MIOSH,RSP and have contributed to the forum on many occasions - was that our insurance officer asked me for a copy of an accident form and associated information for this particular incident. However, the IO also asked me for copies of all accident reports for the previous 12 months. When I asked Why?, I was told that the claimants solicitor had requested them!!!!!!! Just goes to show that even the experienced members, with large supporting organisations - we are a District Council - sometimes need advice and support on what might appear to be basic issues!!
Mike
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Posted By Heather Aston
Mike
If ultimately you do have to disclose these forms I would "blank out" all references that might identify the individual - I have had to do this in the past with training matrices which show more than one individual.
For the moment I suggest that your insurer has no idea of the magnitude of what the solicitor is asking. I suggest you let them know how many such reports there are and let their investigator have a look when he comes in to carry out his investigation (they are doing one aren't they?)
They can then write back to the claimant's solicitor giving their opinion on whether disclosure is necessary. Ultimately if the solicitor pushes it, a court will decide if this disclosure is reasonable.
An example. We had an RSI claim for an inspection task where each box of product was accompanied by a "route card" showing which operator had done each task down the line by their initials being written into the corresponding box for the task. Under the terms of our contract with the customer, we keep these route cards for three years. Claimant's solicitor asked for copies of all route cards relating to a six month period (literally hundreds!). Having seen the magnitude of the task, our insurer wrote back and said we would not be copying the cards, but that they were available for them to examine (but not take away) at their convenience. They did not bother.....
If your insurer writes back to the solicitors and says soething like there have been X accidents in the last 12 months of which X have involved similar circumstances, that will probably be satisfactory. At any rate, this claim should stand or fall on its own mertis not rely on other similar incidents, provided you can show risk assessments, training, supvision, etc.
good luck
Heather
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Posted By Mark Jarman
Just thought I would point out that not all Local Authorities will refer claimant solicitors correspondence straight to their insurer.
Many LAs have large excesses on their policies, so effectively self-insure. Many will also have in-house claims handling teams, meaning that insurers will not necessarily get to deal with all claims (although they will of course be kept informed).
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Posted By Lorraine Shuker
I have also seen this request for copies of other accidents in a recent claim so it would seem to be quite common practice.
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Posted By Barry Cooper
Mike
As others have said, forward the letter of claim to the insurers and let them deal with it.
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