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#1 Posted : 22 June 2005 21:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By MarkSMark I have always taken a tough stance of safety and punished those who disobeyed my safety rules. This approach is effective with all but one member of staff. He continuously disobeys the ear defender rules and I have CCTV footage of him trying to convince others not to bother wearing theirs. I am worried that his influence will spread like a disease and destroy my safety culture. I'm sure HSWA puts a duty for employee to cooperate with employer. HE obviously is not and I would like to bring him to court to make an example of him. Can I do this? If so can the company sue him for anything? Maybe I'm grasping at straws here but I really want him to suffer and I think this would work.
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#2 Posted : 22 June 2005 21:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Good evening Mark Bearing in mind the rather unfortunate responses to your previous posting on disciplining employees; all I can say is that you should already know the answers to your questions. If you have any doubts about the correct thing to do, ask yourself this "How do I defend against enforcement action or civil negligence action caused or created by allowing this [or any other individual] to flout the company rules? Frank Hallett
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#3 Posted : 22 June 2005 21:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Fisher Mark I am going to be entirely controversial here, in that whilst I am sure you are sincere, there are aspects of your posting that would give me some cause for concern if one of my Team projected the thinking you have set down. Firstly you say you "have always taken a tough stance of safety and punished those who disobey your safety rules." Have you ever tried to get the company's staff on your side and helped them to understand the benefits of complying with the company's (not your) safety rules? Secondly you say you "have CCTV footage of the miscreant trying to convince others not to bother .... " Does your CCTV system have sound, do you lipread, do your employees know that you are using the system to monitor them? Sticky ground - could he have been having a heated debate on your approach to safety? And "your safety culture"? I thought we were supposed to be a Team. If I was him I would go to Senior management about your (apparent) dictatorial approach to safety, having it in for me (well you have been spying(?). Oh and I would complain to my Senior Manager, my GP and (for good measure) HSE about the stress you are putting me under. I would even consult my solicitor and start keeping a record of your actions - by the way thanks for starting my records off with this posting! Boy, what a picture. Sounds as if you are the one in the that will end up in court. Now how about putting your efforts in to getting this chap as your main supporter and get him to take ownership for the company's safety culture? Ok it may not work but at least you can say you tried rather than provide him with ammunition. Good luck Bill
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#4 Posted : 22 June 2005 22:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Hartland Define:troll - A newsgroup post that is deliberately incorrect, intended to provoke readers; or a person who makes such a post. You're feeding him again! Martin
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#5 Posted : 23 June 2005 09:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker Nice one Mark, keep reeling them in! I always look forward to your postings as the replies always amuse me. Keep up the good work. People, this guy is obviosly (really) knows his H&S as he knows just how to rattle people by implying innocence. View his past posts and look up the meaning of Troll on the web and the answer is there for anyone who thinks this bloke is for real. As as been commented before, I wonder who he really is? and do we know him in his "sensible" form?
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#6 Posted : 23 June 2005 10:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By DavidHaddon Amusing as it may be, it is becoming a little predictable. How many other Forum users had guessed the originator of the thread, just by reading the title? Essential reading though!
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#7 Posted : 23 June 2005 10:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Stone Welcome back Mark!
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#8 Posted : 23 June 2005 10:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Fisher 'morning folks Be under no illusion, I am well aware of Markk and his style. That said we can actually make use of this type of posting by treating it a bit like FAQs. There are people out there who will act and have the situations Mark purports, therefore by giving responses to "set" situations we can actually extend a knowledge base. So yes let's remember the originator but let's turn them to advantage. Bill
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#9 Posted : 23 June 2005 11:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. I was some what reluctant to respond to this "individual" but as someone said it can be used to effect an exchange of information. I would hope that anyone reading this thread would be aware of: 1 the legal duty of the 74 act on the employee to take reasonable care of them selves and to co-operate with the employer in maintaining safety. Clearly a good safety culture should encourage this person to use the PPE and to realise and undersand the need to protect his/her hearing. 2. We should also remember the duty on the employer to manage safety and supervise staff including compliance with safety rules use of PPE etc. Thus a 2 pronged approach would be my option. encourage and inform but also manage the situation. Cheers.
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