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#1 Posted : 07 July 2005 10:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By jason telford Good morning We have just recently trained some of our staff to be fire wardens From this training I have been told they are now requiring a payment Is this legal and if so how much money should we pay and how often (weekly/monthly/yearly) All help would be appreciated
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#2 Posted : 07 July 2005 11:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P Johnson When you say they are requiring a payment, what exactly do you mean - do they want an enhancement on top of their salary because of their new duties, or where they not paid a salary for the period of training and they are requesting those unpaid wages? If its the prior, then you aren't legally obliged to offer any salary rises or benefits, but within my organisation we generally offer an enhancement of £300 per year to any safety specialists, be they fire wardens, first aiders, or assistant incident investigators. If its the latter, pay them the money - unauthorised deductions from salary is hr suicide.
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#3 Posted : 07 July 2005 11:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By jason telford Our Fire wardens want an enhancement on top of their salary because of their new duties our fire wardens are not requesting any unpaid wages? finally We have no problems paying fire wardens or first aid trained staff Extra duties deserve extra rewards but we have to be able to pay within reason is the £300 a year the benchmark figure and would you pay this for each extra skill
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#4 Posted : 07 July 2005 11:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. Hi I doubt there is any legal requirement to pay. We, a LA, pay first aiders an annual nominal amount but fire wardens do not get paid. Probably a historical contradiction. Additionally as providers of residential and day care as well as offices etc. we have many more fire wardens than first aiders thus the costs would be significantly higher. What happened to altruism? Or am I showing my age?
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#5 Posted : 07 July 2005 12:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P Johnson These days nobody does anything for nothing Jack, unfortunate for our society as that may be.
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#6 Posted : 07 July 2005 12:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler Jason, If you pay them to do the job you must ensure that the course is reconnised by your insurance company and the person delivering the course is qualified (competent person/s) to do so This is the grounds for payment of first aideres within a company. Do not forget that First Aiders also require insurance. Regards Jonathan
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#7 Posted : 07 July 2005 14:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins "If you pay them to do the job you must ensure that the course is reconnised by your insurance company and the person delivering the course is qualified (competent person/s) to do so This is the grounds for payment of first aideres within a company. " Where did that idea come from? It's got nothing to do with the insurance company. First Aiders must attend a course recognised and approved by HSE and (obvioulsy) taught by a competent person. Doesn't mean you have to pay them - although many employers do. Fire wardens obviously have to be trained by someone competent (the same goes for any training other wise what's the point?) but courses don't have to be "approved" by anyone - we train our own fire marshals. The decision on whether to pay them or not is one for the individual employer. Heather
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#8 Posted : 07 July 2005 14:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler Heather, Have you checked with your insurance company and see if fire wardens are included within the ploicy cover?
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#9 Posted : 07 July 2005 16:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins Yes and yes - why wouldn't they be? - they are employees after all performing a duty for which the company has provided them with suitable training by competent persons (me actually!) Heather
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#10 Posted : 07 July 2005 16:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler Heather, As you correctley stated in the first inst, if the company want to pay its down to them. Regards. Jonathan
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#11 Posted : 07 July 2005 21:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Yaaay Heather! Totally agree with you [though that's probably the kiss of death!] Frank Hallett
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#12 Posted : 07 July 2005 21:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Heather Collins I'm not sure how to take that Frank..... But as long as you can write poetry you'll be OK! Heather
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