Posted By Jane Ling Following a job evaluation my salary has been cut by over £2000 (new salary scale £20,341 - £25,436 although this is protected for a while). I have been told by the Director that I should be grateful as this is still top notch salary for health and safety and is in the top quartile for the charities and local authority sectors. I have an appeal tomorrow and would be grateful for any comments. I would be particularly grateful for any suggestions from the charity and local authority sectors. I work for a housing association providing mainstream housing, residential care and support to homeless and people living in hostels with a variety of problems. I provide advice and develop policies and strategies on all areas of work from lifts, asbestos and legionella to lone working, violence and aggression and infection control. I carry out fire risk assessments, risk assessment training, internal audits, accident investigations - the whole range really. I am the only health and safety person and share some admin support. If anyone wouldn't mind sharing their salary scale with me for ammunition at the appeal hearing I would be grateful. If you don't want to post it on this site perhaps you could E mail me direct. I have taken over 30 jobs out of the SHP mag which pretty much seem to go in my favour but need as much help as I can get. I don't want a fortune only my old salary back. Jane

Posted By Nicholas Williams Jnae Have a look at this link. It gives a salary checker from a recruiter. May give you more information. http://www.principal-peo...o.uk/salary_checker.html Good luck with the review

Posted By Jim Walker "Appeal" is not the mind set to go in with. Go in with an attitude of how very lucky they are, that you choose to work for them. Then (with these ammo others have sugggested) list the time, money and trouble they will have to go to to find your replacement. Make it quite obvious you believe loyalty is a two way thing and that they have been "dis-loyal". Use the SHP to demonstrate that it is a supplier's market. To reduce your salary is breach of contract, tell them you will not tolerate a reduction and ask them how they intend to handle that. Remember you cannot be made redundant as they need a H&S advisor post and it is the job position that becomes redundant not the person.

Posted By jackw. Hi, can't help much as my current salary scale in LA is the one you have been reduced to. We are in the final stage of the same evaluation. Hopefuly i won't be asked to take a pay cut. for the record my LA is one of the worst payers for H&S in scotland.. Think I would take the advice of voting with my feet and moving on.. As a comparison how does your pay equate to your personnel staff.. in my LA they are paid at least 2 grades above me.. around £4,000.00 les work. not as qualified and definately less hassle. good luck..be interested in how the appeal goes!!!!

Posted By jackw. Hi Paul. I believe although it seems more complex than this. JE = Your wage is reduced or at least the pay for the job is reduced. you have a couple of years grace at your current salary with no annual increases until your "grace" time is up the you revert back to the new salary. I suppose if you are at the top of the scale you could, at least, technically end up holding your current salary at the end of the period and thus no reduction in your current rate. However as you have not received an increase in 2 years whilst the cost of living has gone up you are still worse off by however £X amount. So in the long run they have screwed you. and of course anyone coming behind you is paid less.. = squeezing down of income for all H&S professionals. Be curious to see what support our "professional" organisation gives to people that have salaries decreased as a result of the role of an H&S post being considered less valuable at a time when IOSH is promoting new higher grades RSP etc. and of course higher subscriptions for this, whilst employers are devaluing H&S. I await in anticipation!!!!!

Posted By Charley Farley-Trelawney Have sent you information diectly, come back if you need to 'chew the fat' further. Charles

Posted By ron muir I too went through this debaucle called Job Evaluation, and was lowered in salary 2 years ago. However, I was protected for 3 years until my grade reached the new suubstantial grade (this happened in April this year - I missed out on 2 years of cost of living rises due to this !! I too appealed, as we have another H&S post in my organisation who is on £ 6000 a year more than me for doing basically the same job (fair isn't it????) Also I agree with you that Personnel all came out well on mostly increased wages !!!! But do I really want to be Personnel Officer - no I do not. Also agree that IOSH should be doing more to raise the profile of H&S in Local Authority, surely we are just as important as other industries ? Your thoughts would be welcome By the way did your organisation use the Hay scheme as this adds to the top and takes away from the bottom - well it did in H&S !!!!!

Posted By Jane Ling Ron, You must be psychic, Hay Group it is!!! Jane

Posted By J Knight Hi Folks My previous employer uses Hay, and it's partly due to that that I left them. I got fed up of making decisions and offering advice designed to keep the management out of jail, and getting paid less than the Training Managers! Hay is designed on a particular set of principles, if you don't manage staff or have a large budget you can forget about it. On the personnel note; there was a widely quoted report recently going on about how Personnel Managers are much less well paid than their colleagues in IT & Finance; ha! they should walk a mile in my shoes is what I say (and then they'd be a mile away and they'd have my shoes, as well as better pay than me :)), John

Posted By Diane Thomason Jane - have emailed you direct. I agree with others here that more than ever we need a "campaign" to raise awareness of the H&S profession, why we are needed and what we actually do. This should be aimed at industry (CBI, IOD, chambers of commerce, large companies etc.) and public sector (LAs, NHS, education etc.) IOSH would be the ideal leader of such a campaign. I seem to remember Hazel Harvey saying some time ago that something like this was being planned - is that right Hazel? We should all be prepared to participate if we don't want to be hearing more stories like Jane's.