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#1 Posted : 13 July 2005 10:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Carrier Good day Our Union rep is always harping on about an exemption/immunity for Union Safety Reps. I have had a look through the Safety rep and Safety committee regs but canot find any reference to it. Can anyone point me in the right direction or let me know what they are immune from and why. Thanks
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#2 Posted : 13 July 2005 10:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Could be TB if they've had the jabs???? Probably they mean they can't be sacked or snactioned for discharging their safety rep duties; this immunity should apply to anybody discharging TU duties, indeed employers can't sack people merely by virtue of TU membership, John
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#3 Posted : 13 July 2005 10:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Carrier Thanks for the info. Would this immunity also apply to non Union memebers?
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#4 Posted : 13 July 2005 10:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight No, I don't think it would, unless it was in some way written into the terms of reference or role spec for the reps, John
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#5 Posted : 13 July 2005 10:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By T Phillips I was told this number of months ago by a union rep. IE 'You can't prosecute me - I'm immune..' When I asked him what from, he became a little more vague so I thought about it for a while. My conclusions being: 1. If he acts in a criminal manner - he is liable to prosecution - just like anyone else. 2. He is not responsible for conducting nor implementing the requirements of risk assesments, so is unlikely to be in a position of liability. 3. During his work, he is covered by vicariuos liablity - just like everyone else. However, see point 1. 4. His role is not to advise fellow employees how to implement risk assesments nor to develop 'safe systems of work'. If he feels current systems are wrong, they can stop and raise with the managers (see point 2). The roles of a union rep are well defined - and there job is not to manage health and safety. Therefore, taking the above into account, if they are working within these guidaleines, the only reason he is likely to be prosecuted is if they act in a criminal manner.
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#6 Posted : 13 July 2005 11:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Message to self - always read the documents! There is a statement in the guidance in L87 that the commission has instructed HSE not to prosecute safety reps for acts or ommissions committed while discharging their duties. This would be a limited rather than absolute exemption, since there is a common law duty of care, and it would provide no immunity from civil action. There is no such immunity that I can find for non-TU reps, though they also are protected from deteriment consequent on discharging their rep duties, John
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#7 Posted : 13 July 2005 11:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By MichaelM This is with respect to their roles as TU Safety Reps representing the H&S Committee and any H&S issues they bring to the table etc. More importantly from reading this thread, Simon what is a memeber and John what is snactioned?!? Just curious Michael
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#8 Posted : 13 July 2005 11:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert S Woods Look in the SRSC regs. TU reps cannot be prosecuted for their acts or ommisions whilst carrying out their duties.
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#9 Posted : 13 July 2005 11:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Carrier All Thanks for the replies and info. Apologises for the fingger trouble Simon
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#10 Posted : 13 July 2005 21:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adam Remember the consultation with representatives of employee safety REGS 1996 and the management regs 1999 are currently being reviewed for the fact that you can be prosecuted as a rep, the safety reps and committees reg 1977 protects you in this area whilst discharging your duties.
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#11 Posted : 14 July 2005 00:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Hines Simon, Your rep is referring to SRSC 1977 Reg 4 (1), HSE’s L87 SRSC acop words it better; “14 It is provided in the Regulations that no function given to a safety representative shall be construed as imposing any duty on him other than duties he may have as an employee under sections 7 and 8 of the Act. For example, a safety representative, by accepting, agreeing with or not objecting to a course of action taken by the employer to deal with a health or safety hazard, does not take upon himself any legal responsibility for that course of action. In addition, the Commission have directed that the Health and Safety Executive shall not institute criminal proceedings against any safety representative for any act or omission by him in respect of the performance of functions assigned to him by the Regulations or indicated by the Code of Practice. Similar arrangements have been made with the other enforcing authorities.” Reps are told of this at thier stage one training, some misinterpret it to give them blanket immunity, if they are performing tasks in their normal employed role they are subject to Section 7&8 HSWA. To my knowledge as yet civil law has not produced any contradictory case law. As you know this is not of course the case for Health and safety advisors/mangers While you might not always agree with the reps, you should not discount them as there is the potential for them to produce evidence to the HSE of in action, and look out for the Union Improvement notice scheme. A positive safety culture and good consultation is the best approach, after all we are all after the same thing, a safe and health workplace. Cheers Mike (One of those safety reps !!)
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#12 Posted : 14 July 2005 10:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi Mike, Agree on the value of TU safety reps; I was one once long ago and well before I took up this as a career. There is a statement in the guidance which appears to go beyond the intention of reg 14, but again I feel it would not absolve them from their usual s7 duties, except insofar as the requirement to co-operate could well be in abeyance if the rep and the employer felt very differently about a situation, John Anybody who doesn't know what snactioned needs a ditcionary!
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#13 Posted : 14 July 2005 19:52:00(UTC)
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#14 Posted : 14 July 2005 20:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Walsh If a union safety representative fails to carry out his duties, he is still employed as an employee of the business. If his failures result in a prosecution under HSWA Sec 2 perhaps the union representative could be prosecuted under HSWA Sec 36?
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#15 Posted : 15 July 2005 10:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight What the guidance says is this 'In addition, the Commission have directed that the Health and Safety Executive shall not institute criminal proceedings against any safety representative for any act or omission by him in respect of the performance of functions assigned to him by the Regulations or indicated by the Code of Practice. Similar arrangements have been made with the other enforcing authorities.' This seems to be a blanket statement covering prosecution by HSE under any head. However, it doesn't absolve a rep from the law at any time other than when they carrying out 'functions assigned', even then I think, as I have said, that common law duties of care would still apply, though IANAL, JOhn
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#16 Posted : 15 July 2005 10:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Taylor14 check out sections 15 and 100 employment rights act
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#17 Posted : 17 July 2005 20:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Nagle In issues where they state this, common sense usually.... Stuart
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