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#1 Posted : 15 July 2005 14:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clinton Is it fair to say that a H&S practitioner who has come from an operational background at site level ( e.g. Construction Industry) and then steered their career towards H&S find it easier to apply what they have learnt during their NEBOSH courses (for example) to the practical application on site as a result of them having working knowledge of the various tools and machinery out there?
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#2 Posted : 15 July 2005 15:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney Yes People with no/little working knowledge of machinery etc can struggle getting to grips with terms, visualsing type of equipment etc. On courses I have 'lectured' on some poeple didn't know basic things like telescopic drills etc. I would arrange site visits to acquaint them with these. Working knowledge doesn't necessarily come from working life but perhaps hobbies/interests etc Most people catch up during the course and no previous knowledge shouldn't be a bar.
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#3 Posted : 15 July 2005 15:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nick Higginson This is a fair point, although it is only fair to point out the other side of the coin. People from "practical" backgrounds often struggle to get to grips with the management and legal aspects of courses. As has already been stated though, these obstacles are not insurmountable if people are prepared to learn. regards Nick
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#4 Posted : 15 July 2005 16:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clinton Thanks for the responses. I tend to find that a lack of any practical/operating knowledge of the many different types of equipement "out there" for any one particular activity and their limitations, directly associated with poor method statements and/or risk assessments. Site visits are one solution but you tend to be limited to one or two pieces of equipment during each visit. Imagine if you were asked to assist with the production and/or review/approval of all the hundreds of method statements for a major and very complex construction site!
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#5 Posted : 15 July 2005 16:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Elliott Whereas a practical background will provide a valuable knowledge base, there is unlikely to be one individual in possession of all the aspects necessary for carrying out R/A's, writing method statements, SSOW's. These need to be undertaken in conjunction with those with first hand knowledge and whilst this may be personal knowledge in the H&S professional, as Nick points out, the application of management and legal aspects may not be in the forefront of the mind of those "on the tools". Not that I would advocate R/A's by committee but a sensible sharing of expertise. Each to his (her) own.
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#6 Posted : 15 July 2005 16:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Clinton I couldn't agree with you more.
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#7 Posted : 18 July 2005 13:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh I feel that we are really taking about the "experience" v "qualified" question. The fact is that, to be the finished article you need both! One issue I have seen many times is the difficulty of people trying to rise up the career ladder from the shop floor - they often lack management & "political" soft skills eg writing effective reports, influencing people and so on. And let's not forget the nefarious skills ability to "network" and "creepycrawl" your way to advancement! Seriously I notice this skills gap most with people who make perfectly good safety officers, but can't bridge the gap to safety "manager".
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#8 Posted : 18 July 2005 16:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight This is one of my favourite questions to be honest. I accept what people have said about the fact that gaps in practical knowledge can be filled by training, but i do think that H&S is more occupatinal than we sometimes pretend. My background is in social care and administration, so I find issues in these area easy to work with, and I cope relatively well in our retail area, but when it comes to the maintenance side of things I have to rely very heavily on supplementary advice for technical aspects of the work, John
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