Posted By James M I believe that to be a member of project safety (MaPS) you have to have 10 years experience in construction. Perhaps one of these highly experienced individuals can assist. Jim

Posted By Calum R Cameron MIOSH The Pre tender plan content is set out in the CDM ACOP to be remembered that bulk does not mean quality. The intention of the PTP is to inform the principal contractor of the SPECIFIC hazards that he may encounter on the given project. It is not the intention to notify an already competent? contractor of the basics such as work at hieght etc-which he should already know. Your terminology is a little confusing as a pre-construction phase plan is not a PTP. It would be the principal contractors atempts to pluck out the content from the PTP which he wishes to carry forward to the onstruction phase plan perhaps???? Clarification needed on the terms used would be helpful. A 2 page specific document highlighting the hazards to be encountered and the controls proposed is of more use than reams of paper which no one looks at because it applies to nothing in particular. Hope this helps.

Posted By Danny O'Donnell Calum, The terms Pre-Tender and Pre-Construction are interchangeable in the ACOP. As far as I'm aware, the actual Regs do not differentiate between the pre-construction and construction phases because the health and safety plan for a CDM project is considered to be a live document, which is prepared initially by the Planning Supervisor and developed and thereafter maintained and updated as required by the Principal Contractor. Danny

Posted By Mal Shiels Hi Ray, hope i can help, i currently act as planning supervisor on a number of projects. However i am a great believer in actually buying into the original ethos of what CDM is supposed to be about. The point of the pre construction plan is to supply relevant information to potential principal contractors so that they can make allowances for financial and operational resources in their tender and be in a position to plan the actual work to be carried out in a safe manner. The pre cons health and safety plans we produce are commonly between 10 and 15 pages long. You really do have to concentrate on what is significant, the hardest part is convincing the client that it is not about quantity and reams and reams of paper. Huge amounts of paperwork will only potentially hide what is significant. The principal contractor should then be in a position to produce an outline construction phase plan which is indeed as an earlier respondent stated a live document used to manage health and safety on site. Regards Mal

Posted By Vincent Butler Pre-Tender sets out the hazards, risks and dangers (HR&D's) associated site/location where the construction project is to take place and, with the construction design. This is all in respect of the site or workplace where the construction project is to take place. Basically, this is what the contractor has to watch out for when they build the project. Things which will injure/maim any persons, affect the delivery of the project, affect the client undertaking and possibly affect the environment. From this information the tenderers must demonstrate their competence and resources to be able to safely and effectively carry out the construction project in relation to the pre-tender HR&D's. An additional set of hazards risks and dangers is added at this stage, the actual construction activity itself, i.e. the contractors HR&D's In preparing this information, the tenderer is able to more accurately set their contract price. All of the above should be clearly set out. If it is not and there is no demonstrable evidence of competency and resource, the client cannot reasonably engage the tenderer as CDM explicitly requires competence and resource of duty holders. The successful tenderer who best demonstrates competence and resource should be awarded the contract (we all know it will really be the cheapest one!) and be formally appointed as Principal Contractor (PC). As the PC starts to develop project programmes, detailed design, construction sequences and methodolgies they will be developing the risk control strategies to avoid the pitfalls pointed out at pre-tender. They will develop their policies, organsiation and arrangements to safely execute the project. Pre tender - watch out for... Construction - this is how we watch out for... I hope this helps Vince Butler