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#1 Posted : 04 November 2005 10:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By joedukeries hi has anyone got a fire risk assessment model i can look at please.
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#2 Posted : 04 November 2005 10:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony O'Keefe Have replied off forum Tony
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#3 Posted : 04 November 2005 16:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By MancMan could i ahve alook at the fire risk assessment please as i have been tasked with doing them Thanks
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#4 Posted : 04 November 2005 16:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By David.G.C i have emailed you direct
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#5 Posted : 05 November 2005 18:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun mckeever My view is that if you are competent to carry out a fire risk assessment then you can make your own template up. Asking for someone else's template suggests that you are not sure what to look for in a fire risk assessment. A good starting point would be to familiarise yourself with PAS 79 published by BSI. Too often I have come across FRA's that would not stand up to scrutiny and I often reject them as not being 'suitable and sufficient' as required. The consequnences of not getting it right can be serious so please make sure you meet the definition of competency. I like the definition of a competent person given by DCFO Andy Marles during the consultation process for the new fire regs due next April - "They have to have an understanding of fire, the way fire behaves, the way that building reacts to fire, so they can understand the risks that are created". Please, please, please make sure you are competent. I have lost friends in fire and at one time I was the Station Officer at Red Watch, Soho. This is the watch that lost their previous Station Officer at the Kings Cross fire.
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#6 Posted : 10 November 2005 21:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By p winter A cautionary post Perhaps there are many H&S people who ought to read the last response. When the requirement for Fire Risk Assesments was introduced it was presented as something most employers or their H&S people could do for themselves. Now that Fire Certification is on the way out it is likely the more complex buildings will be risk assessed by H&S people who think they know more than they do. Fire risk assessments can be specialised Get it wrong and you can be in trouble- or worse. The best person to carry this out is someone who has been in a burning building - not someone who has learned it from a NEBOSH course
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#7 Posted : 11 November 2005 07:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Murphy What people need to realise is that In light of the new fire legislation which will come into force next year, which will have significant bearing on employers and their responsibilities; there are seminars currently being held for employers to inform them about the implications and their responsibilities. Under the new legislation, i.e. The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005, employers will have the responsibility to ensure that Fire Risk Management is administered and managed to a competent standard within workplace. This is far reaching and very important, it looks to me like we have gone from just Safety men to Environmental and now Fire specialists I am going to a seminar on Monday regarding this very issue. Two areas of interest to tell you a bit about these legeslative changes are: http://www.firesafe.org....legislation/rrfsord1.htm (This gives a lay mans view, very interesting.) http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2005/20051541.htm (That’s the full regs) Basically we need to get it right now because next year the fire service will be inspecting premises to ensure compliance.
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#8 Posted : 11 November 2005 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Shaun - 100% right on the nose! Incidentally, you can download various FREE research documents from both the HSE & OPSI [used to be ODPM] regarding fire safety and risk assessment. It still requires tailoring to your specific business. It still requires a substantial amount of knowledge and understanding to do all but the really simple FRA's well! Most short [less than about 5 working days] courses will definitely not make you competent for anything more complex than a simple multi-occ office building. Frank Hallett
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