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Posted By Lorraine Shuker
Police suing for negligence because of lack of after care in post traumatic stress cases ...
...fireworks exploding in the crowd at an organised display ...
... oh and poppy sellers no longer allowed to use pins in case they hurt someone and get sued presumably.
I haven't even checked the tabloids yet to see which one gets the most coverage.
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Posted By Mike Palfrey
Poppy sellers not being allowed to use pins? Where was this gem please?
I bought a poppy on Saturday and the much decorated old soldier who pinned it on did a marvellous job.
Funny how in 1939-45 we gave them guns to defend our country, now we don't trust them with a pin!
Ho hum
Mike
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Posted By stuart cross
This is a very old story
I've been collecting for the Legion for years and we have always had pins.
The issue is that the RBL has identified that children and pins don't mix and have therefore introduced poppy stickers.
Trust the press or anyone else not to relate the whole story.
Stuart
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Posted By Brett Day
Being cynical, why let the facts get in the way of a good story !!
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Posted By John C
The damages awarded for getting accidently pricked by a poppy pin wouldn't even get you a decent bag of chips!
How ridiculous a concept. The person who thought he/she might make a few bucks from this would do better going to get some therapy.
John
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Got even better today with the news that lifeboat men (sorry persons) cannot fire a 2 gun salute n Remembrance Sunday but must use fireworks instead - Elfansafety somewhere they say!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob
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Posted By gham
guns are more predictable than fire works, what would happen if the firework accidentally went off in the crowd someone should advise them to have a 2 mile exclusion zone
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Posted By Mark Talbot
Why have lifeboat persons got guns?
Why do lifeboat persons want to use guns to salute?
Military salutes with rifles makes some sort of sense because guns are tools of the military.
Lifeboat crews use flares I thought. I'm not sure that everyone who wants to mark a rememberance should be getting guns out.
Guns are made to kill. Odd to use them to mark a regret of people dying. Ironic.
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Posted By gham
That a good point,
I suppose it the same as or in addition to ringing the bell though, the salute can be heard over a great distance.
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Posted By MarkS
Guns were traditionally used by lifeboat crews for firing rope or grapples.
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Posted By Rob T
So what's the problem with guns? Guns don't kill people - the people who pull the trigger do! This country has banned almost all guns and we still have a bigger problem with gun crime than most European countries. Another cr*p law brought in as a kneejerk reaction to a couple of looney's! Ban, ban, ban (or should that be bang, bang bang?) that's all this government seem to want to do. Where's the freedom of choice. Rant over!
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Posted By Mark Talbot
Rob, I lost my guns after the reforms too. I was not talking of banning, I was asking the relevance, and noting my thoughts about the irony.
MarkS has answered the relevance, and shows one of the few alternative uses of the gun (thanks MarkS)
Gun crime exists because guns exist - I doubt you or I will be able to resolve that on this forum (shame, but that's life). Nice rant though :-)
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Posted By Lorraine Shuker
Mike ~ re: Poppy pins ~ I heard it on Five Live yesterday morning
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Posted By Ged
I think folks you will find that the lifeboats are using "hand fired Maroons" which are much the same as a flare but go bang. The guns went out years ago and were replaced by "speedlines". However unless you fancied causing chaos as these rockets take out a couple of hundred feet of line with them,best stick to maroons. I am sure the lifeboat and coastguards will next week. Anyway they are trained and competant persons I would suspect.
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Posted By Alan Haynes
Talking to the 'old soldier' who sold me my poppy yesterday - they have pins available, but are not supposed to offer to do the 'pinning' in case they 'stick' you.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Ged
The use of guns as a form of salute is widely used within the maritime communities and by various armed services. We fire a volley of shots over a grave at military funerals and I believe that Remembrance Sunday is a military commemoration. The discussion started at the fact that the service were banned from using their gun, not whether or not the the service had maroons for use. These are not a suitable alternative to a cannon shot so I presume they will use a couple of air bombs and deafen the congregation.
Bob:-)
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Posted By fats van den raad
Old soldier I bought a poppy from also offered me a pin with my poppy, all neatly arranged in a row on a card, and then I heard the story on the local radio news that night on my way home. They are apparently not allowed to actually stick the sticker either, but are supposed jyst to hand it over. This is because the sticker may damage clothes and the old soldier would then be liable!!!
Like someone said... we trusted them with guns during the war but now they are not even allowed to use pins or stickers!!!!
I wonder if this was somebodies idea of a risk assessment or if the decision was made because of actual claims!!
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Fats
Real problem you know as everyone today is wearing Gucci, Armani etc etc. At least they are whenever they have a claim for damaged clothing!
Is it real tears or crocodile tears I hear in some quarters? The Great Risk Debate fizzled out in a sea of repetition and jargon, makes you wonder if it was actually a spin exercise designed to make us feel consulted.
Bob
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