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#1 Posted : 15 November 2005 12:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anne Smart Dear members, Chartered status is big news for IOSH, the health and safety profession, and all of you who develop your professional skills through the IOSH membership structure. We have been asking some of our soon-to-be Chartered members to share their views on this event and what it means to them professionally. You will see more of these opinions on this website (www.iosh.co.uk/charteredpeople) and in the media over the coming months. But now we’d like to hear from the rest of you, regardless of your current membership category, professional experience or career path. Each week you will see some new threads appear, asking you to share your thoughts on various topics. Please don’t be shy, just be polite. We may want to use your views as part of our ongoing media campaigns, but if we quote you directly we will contact you first. To start the ball rolling, here is an obvious question: What does Chartered status for IOSH members mean to you? Anne Smart, IOSH Media and Marketing Assistant
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#2 Posted : 15 November 2005 12:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Carrick Anne, The page you refer to won't load. Is it up yet please? Jon
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#3 Posted : 15 November 2005 12:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P. Johnson It's the gold mark, the accolade of every profession or industry. It will serve enormously to enhance the standing of the members who achieve the status, and for the organisation itself. Personal experience tells me that anyone who is chartered, be they a surveyor, accountant, engineer, or whatever, it gives them an air of credence and authority. It also makes attaining corporate membership that little more difficult, which can only serve to raise the standards of the industry. DJ
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#4 Posted : 15 November 2005 12:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Anne As Jonathan has pointed out - We need to have a site that works if we are to retain credibility. Was this checked before your posting? What a start to the much vaunted publicity campaign, I hope the rest works out better.
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#5 Posted : 15 November 2005 13:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By IT Too late Bob, It’s not there ...just checked I am assuming that TechSP/GradSP can also put their views in here also?
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#6 Posted : 15 November 2005 13:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anne Smart Dear all, The 'chartered people' section of the website is not yet live, as those of you who have tried to access it have discovered. My apologies for not making this clearer on my initial post about the activity you can expect to see over the coming weeks and months. In answer to IT, anyone in any category of IOSH membership can post their thoughts on this thread. Anne Smart, IOSH Media and Marketing Assistant
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#7 Posted : 15 November 2005 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Carrick Thanks Anne.
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#8 Posted : 15 November 2005 14:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob T Not a lot of difference within the safety field - the old grades were sufficient to show your knowledge and experience. Outside the Safety community I think it will be an enormous benefit to show employers that H&S is as important as Chartered members of other professions - we're not the Cinderellas of employment anymore. This should hopefully enhance the standing of all safety professionals and those company's who thought that H&S was a tag-on will have to change their views.
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#9 Posted : 15 November 2005 15:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Böber Becoming Chartered has profound significance for all Health & Safety Practitioners as now some 20,000 of us will be able to plot ourselves on a whole series of topographically maps. Andrew John Robertson Böber
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#10 Posted : 15 November 2005 16:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp The message from those posting a response is very positive regarding chartered membership status. However, I would be interested to learn what tangible benefits they expect to see other than the kudos of chartered status. Would someone explain. For example, do they envisage promotion or a higher salary or perhaps consultants think they may be able to charge clients more? Regards Ray
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#11 Posted : 15 November 2005 16:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P. Johnson Let me answer that question by posing another: Would you gladly pay a higher fee to utilise the services of a Chartered Accountant, rather than one that isn't chartered? ;-) I think that the kudos is, in all honesty, the key benefit we can aspire for at this moment in time. Lets improve the image of the profession, and of health and safety itself, before we hope for more money. DJ
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#12 Posted : 15 November 2005 16:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler Not that I am cinicial in any way, but will the employer reward their safety advisor if they are chartered? I am glad we are chartered and am looking forward to having a 'c' at the start of my letters, but does it make for better safety advisors? Are we putting ourselves under to much pressure? could marriages suffer from cpd? Just some points. Personally I think that all safety advisors should complete NVQ level 4, as a bench mark, therefore showing the advisor has the underpinning knowledge required to do the task, and has a prctical approach to the job. There is still no safety exams for the rail industry. Should we now look for specialist industry related safety exams, i.e rail, nuc etc? therefore enhancing the chartered status we hold. Jonathan Sandler
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#13 Posted : 15 November 2005 17:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P. Johnson 20 CPD points over two years, that's one cpd point a month, with Christmas off and none to do during your statutory holidays. It'll hardly fuel the economy with increased revenues from the divorce courts. ;-) DJ
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#14 Posted : 15 November 2005 17:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By R Joe Call me a (divorced) masochist if you like, but in all seriousness the CPD requirements that go with maintaining individual chartered status are, in my view, not only important but potentially of real benefit to members - if used thoughtfully. Regards RJ
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#15 Posted : 15 November 2005 18:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P. Johnson :-O You divorced masochist! I think you hit the nail right on the head, so to speak. DJ
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#16 Posted : 15 November 2005 19:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler Should we not, therefore, seek specialist courses or exams in specialist fields that we work in? i.e rail, nuc, hospitals? If employees of either HSE or EHO are members of IOSH should they be treated any different than us, by the fact of their job? 20 CPD points every two years is fine, but what happens if a member has a serious illness, I have not seen this point covered, do we have to supply a copy of the doctors note?
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#17 Posted : 15 November 2005 19:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Böber CPD is vital not only for our continued professional development but to ensure that we are what we claim to be – which is ‘professionals’. Albeit ones aligned with those other professionals who are also loathed, the guessing is where we fit in-between Chartered Accountants and Chartered Solicitors on this Clarkson scale of contempt. Nonetheless, although 20 points is a marginally sum set against 24mth period I cannot but agree that a provision should be given to mitigate against serious circumstances which can affect this progression – as aside from illness or injury many members also face other such unfortunate events such as bring kidnapped or marooned. Equally so it is not unreasonable to assume that say a member is standard on some piddling insignificant island for a number of years that upon their rescue and return to civilisation that they will have any conception of contemporary changes within safety law and practices. Some may argue further than having returned to civilisation why then they would want to depart into something as uncivilised as health and safety again. Many more would contend that the rest of civilisation would have benefited had they not even been rescued in the first place. For myself, and from this week, after five years of being a member of IOSH and having worked through various safety courses, a risk management post-grad and yet still continuing my academic studies into Epidemiology, I cannot help but feel a sense of elation that we are at long last befitted with a Royal Charter for our endeavours. No matter by what route one has found their way to CMIOSH / CFIOSH it is a distinct mark of professional which your run-of-the-mill yellow-page consultants will not be able to muster next to. What seems important now is that IOSH, as both the Institution and its members, promote the context chartered status whenever and wherever possible. Or reasonable practicable. Andrew John Robertson Böber
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#18 Posted : 15 November 2005 20:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Waddy As a person who's worked his way "up through the ranks". Works alongside Chartered Chemical Engineers, Mechanical Engineers PHD's etc in various meetings relating to anything from Production Targets to New Projects etc Chartered status will hopefully raise the level of respect to the views given by the "Safety Voice" sat in the corner.
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#19 Posted : 15 November 2005 20:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By David P. Johnson People seem to be mentioning quite a lot the need for professional accreditation in specialist fields - do people really think this is a direction that IOSH should be formally moving toward in the longer term? Do the Specialist Groups not already do this in part? Isn't the idea of competence about being multidisciplinary - your qualifications and experience in occupational safety and health are only of any use if you have knowledge of an industry to practice in, be that law, medicine, construction, health-care or whatever. How could IOSH possibly cater for every industry or area of trade? Excuse my rhetoric thinking. DJ
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#20 Posted : 15 November 2005 20:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Al.. What does chartered status mean to me?…………well it provides a challenge. Individually and collectively we will need to prove ourselves worthy of it in everything we do. We will need to raise our game and play at a much higher level.
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#21 Posted : 15 November 2005 21:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Very profound Al, but I really think we need to do more than just put a 'C' in front of our name if the profession is to be taken seriously. In fact, many project managers et al quite often use it and not as a term of endearment! Ray
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#22 Posted : 16 November 2005 09:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Keith Archer. Anne, To answer your question fully I believe that it is a little bit early to say what chartered status means to IOSH members. I think people are saying what they would like or expect it to mean. In reality only time will tell and a lot will depend on the promotion of chartered status to industry and its acceptance by employers. Personally I would expect long term benefits of chartered membership but in the short term it will make no difference whatsoever. Keith
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#23 Posted : 16 November 2005 10:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By gham Keith has an excellent point, Asking members or those, like myself who are endevouring to become members will give, in general, a positive, I don't think that anyone who is involved with safety will argue that the Chartered status is a paricularily bad thing. Already though there is an indication that gaining chartered membership will allow CMIOSH members to line their pockets, but it should be remembered that employers enjoy spending as little as possible on safety already therefore your pitch will have to be more robust. Remember Accountants are good at finding ways of making the books look good for audits and tax purposes, Surveyors are good a screwing prices down for builds and maintenance to a minimum thus the impact or cost benifit of having such skilled professionals is very tangable is very ,, so they cost a bit more but they will save us thousands,,,. Employers have to understand the benifits of employing Chartered safety professionals. So should there not be a survey of employers (not those specialising in safey of course, like consultants) to find out if they understand the benifits of employing a CMIOSH. Do they understand the benifits let alone would they be willing to pay them more money
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#24 Posted : 16 November 2005 22:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stupendous Man Chartered status means that the goalposts for my continued professional development have been moved further away. I also feel that under the new membership structure, my current grade of TechSP has been devalued. I have received no enhancement to my membership, despite having completed two cycles of CPD, meaning that I exceeded the membership requirements for my grade. I do feel that I should at least have been afforded the same membership rights as those MIOSH who only undertook CPD at the very last minute in order to gain chartered status.
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