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Posted By alan bradley
Hi, I am aware of the general requirements for the storage of gas bottles. However one of my clients has several locations where the buildings are on a purpose built industrial estae and the boundaries are never more than 2 metres from their buildings. Although a cage can be placed within the boundary it is therefore always less than 6 metres from the building and often within a few metres of the fire exit. Can anyone suggest alternative arrangements please?
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Posted By lewes
What sort of qty are you looking at ??
Are there any other cylinders / combustible materials in the close vicinity ??
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Use of a Gas vault in this situation is about the only solution. The general need is for distance or a fire resistant wall
Bob
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Posted By lewes
Am I missing something here or is it just my ignorance ??
Im under the impression that providing a Risk Assessment has been done and there are no sources of ignition, no localised drains and no oxidant gases are also stored within close proximety (3m etc) that they can be stored in a well ventilated environment, be it inside or out ??
Having read both Calor MSDS and BOC MSDS thats the way I read it.
Or am I barking up the wrong tree ???
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Lewes
How do justify storing them inside an unventilated building, effectively, when they can be stored outside? I am sure the fire services will love the assessor when he explains that there is a gas bottle storage facility in the building on fire which is believed to be no significant risk.
Manufacturers guidance applies, in my mere view, only to discrete numbers of bottles in use and not to a storage facility.
Bob
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Posted By lewes
Thats why I said about a "well ventilated environment, be it inside or out" .
Thats also why I questioned the qty that we are talking about.
A problem we had with siting a handful of cylinder outside of a building in a cage was the arson risk and also a build-up of litter(flammable material). A lot of it depends on the how the site is made up; walls, drains, vehicle movement, the qty of cylinders, the type of cylinders etc etc
To my mind if its a handful then inside is ok but they there are still rules and regs, if its a local Calor Depot then its a different story. Nothing was specified in the first thread and I try and adopt a common sense approach whilst still meeting legislation.
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Posted By alan bradley
Thanks for the info so far. There are rarely more than two or three bottles stored as they are used for fork lift trucks. They were stored inside in a locked ventilated cabinet but the local fire officer effectively said " outside or I'll see you in court. Hence the question.
Alan Bradley
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Posted By lewes
Further to this discussion yesterday.
I contacted my local Fire Dept and they advise the following:
"I have been passed your query from reception to answer about the storage of cylinders inside a premises.
as the cylinders contain a gas that is classified as highly flammable by the gas safety regulations, then depending on the amount stored then a fire certificate maybe required issued by the fire authority.
with the legislation changing in April 2006 then the risk assessment will need to take into account the storage of Dangerous substances explosive atmosphere regulations (DSEAR.
the other authority that will need to consulted id the HSE and i am certain that they will have some input into this question!"
Unfortunately its still not 100% crystal.
At the end of the day it depends on what the local officer to you is saying and not the one local to me.
Lewes
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