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Posted By Nigel Hammond
An employee has just returned to work after two weeks off-work with sciatica. She says it was caused by a manual handling incident that happened over six weeks ago. She did not report the incident at the time. There were also no witnesses to the event.
Should we report this to the HSE under RIDDOR? If so, would we be potentially admitting liability for something that may not be work- related?
Any views welcome, many thanks, Nigel
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Posted By Fornhelper
I would report it with a full explanation of the circumstances...no harm done in reporting it and certainly not an admission of liability.
FH
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Posted By ian milne
Suggest you seek guidance from HSE /contact centre mentioning the facts on what you already know. Draw up your accident report and investigate it throughly. Seek permission to approach their doctor, in writing by the company's appointed medical practicioner. You would not like to see them doing work that is inappropriate for their injury, would you. Documents save problems in future.
Maybe I've been down this path a few times before.
Ian
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Posted By Barry Cooper
I am all for reporting accidents at work, but in this case I am not so sure. The accident occurred 6 weeks ago, and off work for 2 weeks. She has had plenty of time to report it to the company.
Before reporting, I would investigate the alleged accident as thoroughly as possible.
What hobbies does she do? How likely is it that an ijury occurred? Then make a measured judgement whether to report.
Problem is the accident could just as easily have occurred at home.
Tough call, but depending upon the results of the investigation, I don't think I would report.
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Posted By Michael McBride
This happens regularly where I work. Our rules state that an accident form should be recieved within 72 hours.
If the accident is reported late we place a note for case within the the accident file with the reason for the tardiness. The individual is also told.
Mick
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Posted By Paul Skelding
Accidents should be reported on the day, if not the very next day. There's no excuse for not imforming your line manager by telephone. It was a back injury not a mouth problem, also look at the history of illness from the individual, has she had time off in the past with back problems, if so this is more than likely an ongoing problem.
One of the companies I used to work for, had one person who had a child that was very ill, and was always off with accidents and illness (in particular back problems)
Look how the injury happened, was she lifting incorrectly and not following basic training and procedures.
Not an easy one I know, but back problems are very hard to prove and various doctors will sign people off at the drop of a hat most times. Instead of getting people back to work doing an alternative roll that wouldn't aggravate the back.
Good luck with it
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Posted By Nigel Hammond
Many thanks for all your helpful replies.
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Posted By jaynee
i would report it.
if she decides to take any sort of action at a later date it won't look good when investigations show you didn't report it even at alater stage.
i am currently on placement in a H+S section and only today have recieved an accident report from august.
but of course this is only my opinion
j
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Posted By TBC
Your right Jayne - It should be 'late' reported for possible 'claims culture' defence. The HSE or EHO's are used to this sort of thing and wouldn't usually even follow it up.
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Posted By David Pike
Personally I would think very carefully about reporting something you have no evidence actually happened! But perhaps I have also become sceptical having spent an increasing amount of my time (with a previous employer) dealing with questionable claims, sadly promoted by the trade union.
Quite interesting how the sciatica is now being related to a manual handling 'accident'...... a cheque for Christmas methinks!
But ultimately I would prefer to over report but I would ask the HSE first as the submitting of a RIDDOR report will become discoverable once the claim lands on your desk (as it will almost certainly do!)
Sorry for the 'negative' view but its been finely honed by chancers looking to make some money!
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Posted By A. Fergusson
I would agree that it is better to report 'just in case' but I would question the point in asking the team who record the accidents in Caerphilly, they are employed by National Britannia and so would be unable to give advice.
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Posted By Anthony Potter
I would bet a months salary a civil action against the company is in the post as we speak! I would still report it to the HSE though. Carry out the investigation. Ensure you carry out an interview with the employee ensuring a member of the safety committee or other employee is present throughout. Inform the company insurance company of the alleged incident. Then brace yourself. If and when the claim lands you need to be prepared.
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Posted By Jerry Lucey
I would investigate this accident fully as the fact that it was reported late will not prevent this individual from taking an action. I have found that the fact that they have not complied with your company policy seems to count for very little if it goes to court in a few years time. It is important to report to the H.S.E/ E.H.O. as in the event of an action it is good to be seen to have been proactive and it will not be seen as admitting liability.
A report/ injured party's witness statement of the incident may prove useful on file, especially if the claim is fraudulent it may not have been properly thought through and easier to expose with a signed statement.
Some very valid points were raised regarding the investigation and recording leisure activities, especially if these activities could foreseeably have caused the injury. It is very difficult however to prove a link between the leisure activity and the injury if there is not a record somewhere of an incident. I have come across a situation where someone engaged in sports. In this situation we contacted the club they were a member of to check if they had recorded any incident. I would however, not take this step until an action is taken by the injured party.
It would be worth having this individual attend your company physician. I would however restrict all correspondance to between your company physician and your employee's GP. I have found that a call from one physician to another is far more effective as your company Physician querying a diagnosis is going to meet with a better re-action. Many company physicians obtain written permission to contact the person's GP as a matter of course now.
Hope this helps.
Please feel free to contact me direct if I can help further.
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Posted By Jim Tassell
At the risk of seeming silly, is a late-reported accident actually notifiable under RIDDOR at all? This may seem a silly question but I have just been dealing with a relatively bizarre set of circumstances where a related issue came up. The IP went off work after two months following an adverse reaction to painkillers taken, allegedly, as a result of the accident. Old saying "if all else fails, read the Regs" came into play and in doing so I was struck by both the absence of guidance in the HSE guide to RIDDOR that was relevant to this case and also the fact that we seem to have committed an automatic offence of failure to report once the ten days are up even though at that time the IP had not been off for three days/at all. Surely Parliament didn't intend such a strange outcome so maybe the ten day window is more important than generations of lecturers on courses have thought? Or am I way off line?
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