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#1 Posted : 14 December 2005 15:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jennifer Kelly Following a pre annouced fire drill practice at one of our buildings today a fierce debate has ensued as to the nature of future fire drills. I personally believe that on the whole fire drills should be NOT be pre annouced so as to test the system under pressure. Others believe that the drills should be annouced so that if ever the alarm does go off without warning all occupants of the building will know it is 'for real' and not just for practice and so be even more swift in making their exit from the building. What do the forum members think?
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#2 Posted : 14 December 2005 15:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philip McAleenan Jennifer, There is a case for adopting both approaches. Pre-warned drills will allow close observation, monitoring and feedback to participants, including briefings for those who were unduly tardy or who didn’t participate. In a sense you use this approach to train staff in the procedure and methods of exit from the premises. No-warning drills will allow testing for real, supported of course with the same types of feedback to all staff. If this takes place after the pre-warned training type it may be more effective as everyone should be aware of what is required of them. Philip
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#3 Posted : 14 December 2005 15:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Do a mix of both, John
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#4 Posted : 14 December 2005 15:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cathy Ricketts Personally only ever advise fire wardens and centre managers - fire wardens are often really proactive and will act as a fire on the staircase making staff use alternative routes - we do some drills when only staff are in and others that involve evacuating members of the public as well - so mix and match - do try and watch the weather forecast though - staff get pretty cheesed off if you carry out a drill when its chucking it down
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#5 Posted : 14 December 2005 15:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jerry Lucey If it is a first Fire Drill I usually carry out a briefing session in advance to ensure that all personnel are aware of the evacuation procedure and that such an exercise can be used as a training exercise, to get people comfortable with evacuation routes etc, in a no-panic environment. In such circumstances I would also invite as much feedback as possible which is useful for reviewing/ updating your procedure. Once the Evacuation procedure has been tested and is working I would conduct drills which are unannounced to measure the normal response of personnel. In some cases it may be a good idea to inform Department Managers or Department Heads in order that sensitive times can be avoided e.g. important meetings, visits by potential clients/ customers. The policy should be that 'every' alarm activation is treated as a real/ live emergency. Hope this helps Jennifer.
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#6 Posted : 14 December 2005 18:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Some very sensible responses Jennifer. It all depends on what objective that particular evacuation exercise was intended and designed to achieve. There are a range of different things that should be tested - Response times of personnel; Identification of principal routes used; effectiveness of Fire Marshals; Testing of evacuation by blocking a well-used route to force evacuees to understand that routes can cease to be available 'cos of the fire; Testing of management control systems; Testing of whatever system you use to confirm that the evacuation is complete; etc & etc. All of these objectives will require different approaches with different persons being pre-warned for each. Basically, you must tailor the degree of warning to the planned objective of the evacuation!! And I'm not just referring to "fire"; though that certainly serves as the core mechanism for the majority of evacuations. Frank Hallett
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#7 Posted : 14 December 2005 19:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By TBC Great responses - Only thing to add is ensure a de-brief of Fire Marshalls and security (if you have them) and congrats if they have done a good job.
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#8 Posted : 15 December 2005 14:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By warderic I feel that not to pre warn is more beneficial. However, with the claim culture we are adopting in this country today I often wonder what would happen if an employee whent into a panic fell down the stairs and broke their arm when evacuating. I bet they would put in a successful claim and I bet you would need to answer some seriouse quetions as to your actions. E. Ward
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#9 Posted : 16 December 2005 09:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jerry Lucey In the past I have had the issue of an injury occuring often gets raised with regards to evacuation. It is my understanding that the employer will only be held liable for what is reasonably forseeable. There is a body of case law to support this. It is reasonably forseeable that an employee might panic during an emergency evacuation possibly leading to an injury and the employer should therefore risk assess this possibility and implement measures accordingly. Measures I have implemented in the past include; 1/. Induction training and training at regular intervals thereafter took place to ensure that personnel were aware and comfortable with the emergency evacuation routes. 2/. Prior to a planned evacuation a select group were aware of the fact that the evacuation was to take place and a short period beforehand the emergency routes were walked by these individuals to ensure that routes were free from obstruction, adequately lit and that emergency doors were capable of being opened. 3/. Where a route was 'blocked off' a Fire Marshall was stationed at this route to direct personnel to another escape route. This may be acceptable if your evacuation procedure makes provision for a Fire Marshall to carry out this duty in a real emergency, provided there was no additional risk to the Fire Marshall in question. I feel that the element of surprise or unfamiliar circumstances must where possible be avoided during an evacuation. In other words it is reasonably foreseeable that an individual may panic or be injured during an evacuation but by assessing the risks and implementing measures to lower the risk to a level 'as low as is reasonably practicable' the employer is acting as a reasonable employer should, which is all that is expected. Twice yearly evacuations are a legislative requirement so the employer does not have a choice as to whether or not they carry out these exercises. Hope this goes some way to making the situation clearer.
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