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Posted By Alan Murphy
Recently i have heard where a company had stated that they would always ensure Consultation with the employees OR Safety rep regarding assessments in their area. Now obviously it is better and needed that you consult with and show the results of any assessment in an area, but does this include every single assessment has to be consulted with the Safety rep, or is it enough to just ensure full access to all Assesments so he can have his input or put forward any problems.
What legislation best illustrates this, is there more than just the safety reps regs.
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Posted By Merv Newman
I think a suitable phrase, which we use here is "should be made available to ..."
Merv
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Hi Aalan
MHSW Regs - Reg 10 Information for Employees
Basically says that "the employer shall provide employees with comprehensible & relevant information".
Sorry Merv, not quite the same as should make available.
Regards Frank Hallett
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
Dear Merv & Frank.
Consultation and Information Regs 2005? any good? (that not its full title I know)
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Hi Alan
These Regs you mention may not be H&S related Jonathon; I think that they're more of an Employment Law thing. The only H&S Regs that I know that specifically address the requirement for the employer to consult on H&S issues are the Safety Reps & Safety Committees Regs, the Consultation with Employees Regs, and the MHSW Regs.
Of course, I make no pretence to be omniscient [especially at Xmas or the Winter Solstice]; anyone out there got any info on Jonathons point please?
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
Frank,
My humble understanding of the forementioned regs is that they have thaken the place of the Consultation with Employees Regs.
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Posted By Gary L Are you getting the "Consultation & Information Regulations 2005" mixed up with the "Information and Consultation of Employees Regulations 2004" which came into force this year? As Frank suggests, these are more to do with employment law and consultation with the workforce on all issues, not just H&S. The following link is to the DTI website http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/consultation/proposal.htmRegards, Gary
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
OK just refer to Health and Safety Consultation with Employee Regulation 1996.
Regards
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Posted By R Joe
Is the issue one of what should be established good practice rather than a legislation driven matter? How good will risk assessments be if they do not involve those doing the work? Also, providing 'comprehensible & relevant information' needs to be a consideration in its own right - 'showing people risk assessments' can often be a poor substitute. Regards RJ
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH
RJ, the great thing about risk assessments is that they are never done with the end user, they are done by a person sitting behind a desk.
Why should anything change? Very few companies actully carry out site spec RA with the end users. We are now in such a nanny state that if we do not tell somebody what to do they will not do it.
CDM refers to the 4 C's but, as this is a mans world, we, men in general, do not communicate, but that is a matter for behavour safety, which is a nother matter, that might be a good thread.
I am not aware of very many companies that have safety committees,or safety reps, unless you are one of the big company's.
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Posted By John Lewis
Has anyone actually achieved worthwhile consultation with a trades union? Where I work now the H&S Rep who is also the convenor has not actually attended a H&S Committee meeting in the 11 months I have been here!
In a meeting with his area "top man" he actually said that I had arranged the meeting dates so that he was on nights and could not attend!
Things will be changing in the new year.
Best Regards
John
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