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Posted By Paul Durkin
Regards yesterdays press release from the ODPM,what is the best guess for this legislation to start? October? as in Scotland?
Regards,Paul Durkin
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Posted By Steven
How long is s piece of string? From what I understand they have to give companies/officials time to digest and implement the guidance, which is why there is a delay as the guidance has not been completed. Once they have been completed and published there is a lead time of 12 weeks – so I understand.
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Posted By Paul Durkin
Thanks Steven,
You are correct it states 12 weeks on the press release,I asked for an estimate because last October,the local F&RS,stated as the RRO was due in April they would not be able to issue fire certs to NEW buildings !!
Now with this delay, perhaps they can comply !!!
Regards,Paul
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Posted By Dave Daniel
So much for Regulatory Reform Orders ... - This one's so arcane they can't even work out how long it'll take to write guidance themselves and they've had years to prepare! This is however one step better than the HSE who regularly used to issue guidance and ACOPS months or years after the Regs came into force.
It is worth noting that actually the order will still come into effect on 1st April unless a delaying order is actually prepared and rushed through, and despite the press release this appears not to have yet been done. Also, as far as I can tell from the ODPM website and talking to Fire Officers, they've not formally mentioned the RRO Order to the LA Fire Authorities who are supposed to be enforcing it....! There doesn't appear to be any mention of it at all in any Fire Service documents I've seen.
My guess is that by the time they write the guidance and properly brief the Fire Authorities it'll be too late for an October deadline, so we're probably looking at a year's delay.
Since I spent a considerable amount of time and effort writing compliance procedures for our clients I'm particularly irritated. Perhaps I just ought to advise them not to bother complying with H&S laws as not even the goverment takes much notice!
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Posted By Frank Hallett
The RRFSO actually doesn't need a great deal of guidance as it's written almost as a "pro-forma" and there is no real reason why there should be a delay in it's implementation either - it's certainly a huge amount better than the existing legislation that it will replace!
There is already perfectly good general guidance in existance that supported the FP[W] Regs; the bits it doesn't cover shouldn't actually need to be explained as they are the bits that have been nicked from the [almost defunct] Fire Precautions Act that every fire-competent person was already very aware of.
No - I had no input into the incoming RRFSO, and I still think that it should be administered by the HSE rather than the Fire Service; if only to remove the lack of co-ordination and consistancy between the two.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Jack
My money's on October.
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Have just re-confirmed that the actual statements on the ODPM site are as raised here and as I remembered - they really are!
So, if the "stakeholders" haven't managed to be adequately prepared for the RRFSO going live on April 1 2006 after having had the existing legislation in force since 1999 [when the W[FP] Regs were confirmed as applying to almost all workplaces]; followed by an extensive period [in excess of 4 years] of research and consultation on the need and content of the reforming legislation; which has now been followed by an 8 MONTH lead in from the actual enactment of the RRFSO to enable all "stakeholders" to get a grip of the implications for them - then when will the legislators and the recalcitrant "stakeholders" be ready??
This is an absolute load of !*!* and demonstrates to me that there are certainly a range of essential management skills missing from critical parts of the system.
I suppose that this will get wiped by the moderators now as it's overtly political!!
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Paul Durkin
Thanks Frank,
The best guess seems October,however now that Scotland have stolen a march on the rest of the UK & produced their own Draft Fire Safety Guide,their October may not be our October !!!The Scottish Executive's Consultation Document replaces the old 1983 Home Office,DRAFT 'Green Guide'on residential homes.Would have thought our delayed guide(23 years) would have been ready by now,but then Scotland did have the fire at Rosepark to concentrate them.
Kind regards,Paul
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