Rank: Guest 
|
Posted By Graham Clarke MIOSH, RSP, MIIRSM, MaPS
Hi Guys,
If you ran a permit to work system at your place of work, would you allow sub-contractors to issue your permits to their workers?
Graham
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Guest
|
Posted By Alexander Falconer
Absolutely no chance, would you trust them? I wouldn't, no disrespect to the genuine ones, but there are still sub-contractors who unless properly managed, will still cut corners (whether safe or not) to get a job done quicker.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Guest
|
Posted By Dave Wilson
Graham,
Need to chanre the letters after your name mate as they have changed!
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Guest
|
Posted By Mark Simpson
Graham
Have you ever been to site where your client allows you to issue your own permits to work instead of their own?
If your contractor wants to implement a control in addition to yours, no problem, if he wants to bypass your system, then why?
Mark
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Guest
|
Posted By gham
Mark i think youve missed read the question.
I have come across some sites where key contractors working under a PC at specialist trades have authorisation to issue permits for work under their control and where the premise controller temporarily pulls their own system inplace of a PC's system which is followed by all contractors who work on site regardless of the relation to the PC's work, this way the PC knows what is going on in and around his site and can decide if will conflict with his undertaking
G'
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Guest
|
Posted By Red Ones
Yes, However under strict control.
Imagine you are the landlord and have a principal contractor doing your maintenance work. The chances are that unless you are personally willing to be on site at all times permitted work is undertaken, you are almost forced to delegate the task of permit isuing. High risk work that is under a PTW must be monitored by the person responsible for the permit, therefore out of hours hot works etc must be supervised by the permit author. My building is too big and complex for me to be able to do that on my own, therefore I have to delegate the PTW system to a contractor through a controlled Permission.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Guest
|
Posted By OJ
No. The PTW issuer needs to be a responsible person that is fully trained in the system that he or she is operating. If it is your companies system then your company needs to make sure it is being followed correctly and it would be difficult to demonstrate this when a sub contractor is issuing permits.
Go back to basics, the PTW is there to control high risk activities and training, understanding, authority, pre work checks and all the other measures are essential. If the sub contractor wants to issue their own PTW it would be acceptable but if you are using your system it should be issued by the responsible person in the organisation. How else can you satisfy yourself that the work should be permitted? Or even monitor the system?
The simple answer is that you need to hire competent contractors for the work. If the contractor is competent then they should have their own PTW system and this is the system that should be used.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Guest
|
Posted By Adrian Watson
Dear All,
Sorry to be a pedant, but there seems to be some confusion here as whether you all are actually referring to an authorisation system or a permit to work.
Whilst both are similar, there are essential differences; Permits to work control and coordinate activities between parties as well as authorise the works to be carried out by a competent person. As such a permit-to-work should only ever be issued by the person having control of the area.
Regards Adrian Watson
|
|
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.