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Posted By Trudy Sharp Hi there,
I have been requested to draft some letters to staff at various management levels detailing their health and safety responsibilities. Bit of a cheek I know - but does anyone out there have a template that I could look at? I'm having difficulties pitching them at the right level because, ultimately, the letters can't be too detailed - the fear being that the managers won't read them or take them on board if they are too long winded. Any thoughts or advice would be gratefully received.
Thanks ever so much,
Trudy.
p.s. Have now finished NVQ4 so I won't be filling the boards with queries over units anymore!
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Posted By Frank Hallett Hi Trudy
Ultimately, H&S responsibilities must be linked to the job specification and the position of the various individuals in the corporate orgaisational chain. Perhaps you should start there?
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Trudy Sharp Hi Frank, I'm afraid its just not that easy when you work in my field. I'm not going to be allowed to revise their job descriptions although I have been able to include 'roles and responisbilities' in the H&S Policy and Arrangements. I'm just struggling to write a very basic letter. Silly isn't it - the more complex I'm allowed to make it the easier it would be!
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Posted By Frank Hallett Trudy, forgive me, but I didn't suggest that you re-write their job descriptions; I suggested that their H&S responsibilities must be linked to their Job Specifications.
Neither should need re-writing to identify what individual responsibilities are for any topic 'cos they form the basis of any contract and also enable an employer to determine what makes an individual competent at that job!
If the intended responsibilities do not already exist in their Job Specifications, how does anyone know what they should be doing and the standard to which they should be doing it?
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Trudy Sharp I'm afraid it all gets a bit complicated. I work on a Campus where there are three different employers - albeit all linked into the same organisation. The H&S policy statement is for the entire campus. Staff for each of the three different employers have different contracts, job descriptions etc. I need to write letters for all different management levels so one letter to the directors (whichever the employer), one to the line managers etc. I can't do anything to influence the HR side of things. I take your point about the job specifications but the fact is that they do not contain H&S responsibilities and to correct that for the entire campus is way out of my position. Hence the letters to ensure that staff at each management level have the same responsibilities regardless of employer, which means they have to be vague enough to cross the employer barrier. Clear as mud! I'm dealing with high ranking scientists and academics - so the letters need to be short and to the point. Hence my problem!
Thanks for your advice.
T.
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan Trudy
Sadly, it appears that you may be on the receiving end of 'dumping'.
Legal aspects of responsibility for managing safety and health surface when there's an accident or litigation; so you need to proceed carefully.
As I understand Frank's observations, he's right in emphasising that in an orderly organisation you should be able to proceed on the basis of the logic of job descriptions and the employer's policy on health and safety management.
To the extent that you lack such an orderly basis, you need to consult with your H R specialist, if you have one, or company secretary, as job descriptions emerge from contracts of employment.
In the event that neither your HR specialist nor company secretary are in a position to help, you may be best advised to ask directors for the money required to commission a consultant who is both an occupational safety & health specialist and a H R specialist e.g. a chartered member of both IOSH and CIPD.
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH Trudi, Maybe it might be easier to state the requirements of section 7&8 of the HASAWA 74 employees duty of care therefore covering all aspects you require. Regards
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Posted By Frank Hallett Trudy, you have my considerable sympathy, but I cannot retract my initial observations.
As Kieran identifies so succinctly - you appear to be the victim of corporate responsibility dumping. Given the additional information that you've provided, I have to say that the task is well-nigh unachievable in any meaningful way despite Jonathans helpful offering - no wonder you were asking for help.
Whatever you produce will always be "your fault" if it fails to work - almost guaranteed in the circumstances! It's also very likely to generate a major adverse response from the recipients once they all get their letters - it won't matter how innocuous or meaningless those letters are. It's not if, it's when.
I trust that your month improves - Good Luck.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Trudy Sharp Thank you. you have all been useful - if only because you have confirmed my fear that this is going to be a nightmare of a task - it's not that I'm stupid! Have a meeting with one of the Directors tomorrow - he wanted drafts, he's going to be getting a plea for further direction!
Frank - my month will improve - there's only a few hours left so it hardly get worse ;-)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH Trudi, I seem to remember not so long ago, somebody asking for the same help with academic bods, working in the radioactive field, they also thought they did not have a problem, until somebody pointed out how marie curie passed away.
Has this anything to do with the latest topic, students sueing the colleges or uni's for failing their courses and colleges and uni's entering into contracts with pupils? Please reply Regards.
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH PS well done only completeing your NVQ Level 4!!!!!!!
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Posted By Trudy Sharp Hi Jonathan, Nothing to do with the latest topic - the organisation is just trying to catch up with 30 odd years of losing Crown Immunity! I used to work in H&S for a Uni - life was much easier then! To be fair - I've got one of the directors on side and we are getting there. It would be a darn site easier if I could produce documents for my own employer rather than having to deal with 3 different ways of doing things. Ho hum - pays the mortgage (just!).
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Posted By Frank Hallett Trudy
May I suggest that you print the responses to your question on this Forum and ask the Directors what they think?
I'll be happy to stand by what I've written.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan Trudi
As you evidently have some significant experience, you may wish to offer the director to introduce 'behavioural safety' processes into the company as a method for 'sharing responsibility' amongst all concerned.
The latest book by Tom Krause, 'Leading with Safety' (John Wiley, 2006) is a well-written introduction.
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH Trudie, If you email me direct I might have something that covers your requirements
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Posted By Trudy Sharp Frank - that thought had already crossed my mind! Keiran - thank you for the recommendation - I will look that one up Jonathan - will do All - why are we all still at work at 7:20 in the evening?
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Posted By Ron Hunter Hmmmm........three employers and one Policy. Has this document been signed and adopted by the 'controlling mind(s)' of all three employers? I suggest that a good Policy should be clear and succint enough to give all employees a clear understanding of their roles and responsibilities for health and safety management within the Organisation. To write letters is in effect to re-write elements of Policy on seperate bits of paper, and so invite potential conflict. Perhaps there is an argument that it is the Policy document (particularly the roles and responsibilities section)which needs amendment, or perhaps even that each employer needs to have their own separate Policy?
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Posted By Sheila EJ Keogh Trudy,
You might want to print them a copy of HSE's booklet on directors' responsibilties (INDG343). Although this itself isnt' law, it reflects "ideal standards". Good luck.
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Posted By SDJC Dear Trudi,
There are surely some general points which could be included. e.g...
1. All of those working under your direction must have sufficient training, information and supervision so as to ensure safety. 2. All activities undertaken by those people working under your direction must be covered by suitable and sufficient risk assessments, which must be regularly reviewed. 3. All control measures identified as being necessary during the risk assessment process must be used consistently in the workplace.
Notwithstanding the difficulties already mentioned, there are surely some general points like these which could be included? That is, if you do have to draft the letter. You could also refer to policy documents and explain what sources of advice are available (yourself!?)
Best wishes, Sarada
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Posted By Dave Wilson Trudi,
Ican send you a copy of my H&S Policy which has director, manager and employee responsibilities built in
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Posted By Trudy Sharp Thank you all so much for your help and advice. I'm still struggling to get the wording of the letters right as they need to be short and to the point. However, I have today managed to get our new H&S Policy and Arrangements, including the roles and responsibilities, agreed in principle. So I think I will go for attaching the H&S Policy and Arrangements to the letter and going for some thing along the lines of:
"Strong leadership is vital in delivering effective health and safety risk control. Your commitment is required to continuous improvement in health and safety and your actions and decisions at work must always reinforce the messages contained within the Campus Health and Safety Policy and Arrangements. Your role is to upwardly influence and drive the practical implementation of the Campus Health and Safety Policy and Arrangements. In addition, you are required to ensure that local health and safety arrangements for your area(s) of responsibility are developed as necessary."
I can then refer them to the document for further information and clarification.
Today I have a feeling of achievement!
Thanks again.
T.
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan Trudy I appreciate how you share your resolution to your dilemma and your challenge about 'strong leadership..... commitment..... upward influence'. It appears from what you write that you are omitting how you are prepared to support this challenge. If you wish to provide safety coaching, you can find some very readable material on safety coaching at www.davidsarkus.com.
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Posted By Jerry Lucey Hi Trudy,
Is there any way you could do a presentation in advance of the letters being sent to these individuals. Where this comes in useful Trudy is that meeting people face to face is always easier in that you can gauge re-action as they become aware of these responsibilities and perhaps you can help to overcome some of their concerns. This will also act as a guide to the tone or approach of your letter as your letters can be tailored to your audience.
You will also probably find that you gain a few sympatheisers in your audience once they realise that you are making them aware of their legislative responsibilities as opposed to responsibilities which are being introduced within the organisation, especially if you come across as supportive. You can always re-phrase what you are saying in a presentation whereas once a letter is sent it is difficult to retract or re-phrase any of the contents.
In such a presentation and ultimately in the letter you might phrase it so that you are asking them to support you in implementing your safety policy through the fulfilment of their legislative duties rather than quoting their duties.
As Frank pointed out, a letter may receive an adverse reaction. I feel initial face to face contact with a well presented supportive presentation may get these personnel to buy into what you are trying to achieve.
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