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#1 Posted : 06 February 2006 20:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert S Woods Removal of asbestos sheet cladding on exterior of factory. Is a licensed contractor required?
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#2 Posted : 06 February 2006 20:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH yes
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#3 Posted : 06 February 2006 21:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson No, As it is not asbestos insulation, asbestos insulation board or an asbestos coating. Regards Adrian watson
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#4 Posted : 06 February 2006 22:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barry Cooper As the previous response - No You should however follow HSE guidance for its removal
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#5 Posted : 06 February 2006 22:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Fisher Robert As per the other two respondents - no you don't need to be licenced but .... You do need to be trained in "non-licenced asbestos work". Bill
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#6 Posted : 06 February 2006 22:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Robert; you will also require to get specialist advice for disposal. Frank Hallett
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#7 Posted : 07 February 2006 00:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd Tell your workers that it's perfectly ok to rip it off and needs no safety gear. Then bag it and dump it in a ditch somewhere. It works for loads of others !!
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#8 Posted : 07 February 2006 00:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd Don't forget, according to others on this site, white asbestos is perfectly safe....so make a sandpit out of the dust and let your kids make castles out of it !
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#9 Posted : 07 February 2006 07:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stephen R Robinson Rob, Have you had an Asbestos Survey carried out? If so, the report will tell you what sort of Asbestos Product the cladding is. Some Asbestos products, (such as Asbestos Cement) do not require a licensed contractor or notification of works. Other products (such as Insulating Board) require a licensed contractor and notification. If you have a mixture of products, (such as Cement covered in a Sprayed Coating) you act on the risk posed by the product with the highest material score in your Asbestos report, (in this example, the Sprayed Coating requires a licensed contractor). Additionally, as the work you describe is a major refurbishment, you may have to carry out a type 3 survey as the cladding could be concealing something else. Here are some documents that you can get from HSE that will help: L27 Approved Code of Practice "Work with Asbestos which does not normally require a license" L28 Approved Code of Practice "Work with Asbestos Insulation, Asbestos Coatings and Asbestos Insulating Board" Approved Code of Practice "The Management of Asbestos in Non-Domestic Premises" Hope this helps, Stephen Robinson
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#10 Posted : 07 February 2006 08:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Sandler CMIOSH How much asi are you getting rid of? the type should now be mentioned inside the pre construction health and safety plan, from that document, prior to the works being carried out, you would have known how to deal with the stuff. I take it you are talking of more than 2 metre sq? If you use labour only staff, are you carrying out health checks prior to the works and for 40 years after? would it be easier to use a asi removal company in the end? Just a thought. Regards
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#11 Posted : 07 February 2006 08:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap Top tip. If the client is paying get a licenced contractor. Then there is little you have to worry about. Let the experts deal with it. If you try to do it you may make an error somewhere and you cant go back.
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#12 Posted : 07 February 2006 11:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By MarkJAWatkins Robert. It may be worth while to get a density test carried out on the sample to confirm that is cement and not AIB. I know that certain HSE field offices are now looking for this. Asbestos cement has a density >1000kg/m3, AIB has a density of >500 - <1000kg/m3 and mill board has a density of <500kg/m3. You only need a license for AIB and Mill Board. How-ever, CAWR and Special Waste Regs 1996 (amended) must be adhered to for cement. Personnel must be trainied in handling asbestos, health monitoring etc. Regards, Mark
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#13 Posted : 07 February 2006 12:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson Mark, The special waste regulations 1996 has been revoked & replaced with the Hazardous Waste (England and Wales) Regualations 2005. Regards Adrian Watson
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#14 Posted : 07 February 2006 12:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson Mark, The special waste regulations 1996 has been revoked & replaced with the Hazardous Waste (England and Wales) Regulations 2005. Regards Adrian Watson
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#15 Posted : 07 February 2006 13:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By MarkJAWatkins Adrian, I am not in England or Wales. Mark
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#16 Posted : 07 February 2006 13:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert S Woods The work involves removing the cladding from the top half of an industrial unit, prior to extensions being added to three sides. We decided to use licensed contractors in the first instance, but needed some kind of evidence that other safety professionals would do the same even though it’s not strictly required. We had a type three survey carried out which showed that there is no asbestos lagging behind the sheeting. This is the first job I have undertaken where money was no object as long as a viable argument can be made for the need to spend it. I can also throw as many bodies at the job (not literally) as I would like. The downside is that this is a fictitious project, which forms a part of my team’s exam presentation on Friday. Thanks for all the help.
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#17 Posted : 07 February 2006 13:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter The post described asbestos sheeting only.It is not known whether this is AIB (such as is commonly used in porches, covered walkway ceilings etc., or asbestos cement sheet. None of us are in a position to answer Robert's query. As one respondent suggests - sample and analysis is required by competent persons!!
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#18 Posted : 07 February 2006 13:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Mark We all need to be careful when talking about legislation outside our own legal systems. This is a point we all often forget and it can lead to some dreadful mix ups. Bob
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#19 Posted : 07 February 2006 13:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Salus No you do not, but make sure that whoever you employ to remove it knows about the hazards and has safe working procedures to remove and dispose of it, and make sure they are supervised by a competent person. Your main problem may not be asbestos but work at height.You obviously need an assessment which should include, a description of the work / the type quantity and condition of the acm's / how you will prevent or reduce the exposure to the lowest level reasonably practicable / how you will prevent the release of fibres into the environment / details of expected exposure and number of persons who may be affected and the selection of any PPE, (full paper suits and disposable masks to PF3 are probaly what you require) You will get all the info for removing asbestos from the HSE. DIY all the time but DIP
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#20 Posted : 07 February 2006 13:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By MarkJAWatkins Bob, your correct 100%. I keep forgetting that we are backward hicks in Scotland! (only joking - great nation really!) Mark
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#21 Posted : 07 February 2006 13:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson Mark, In that case the special waste regulations 1996 were revoked & replaced with the Hazardous Waste (Scotland) Regulations 2005. Regards Adrian Watson
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#22 Posted : 07 February 2006 13:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By MarkJAWatkins Adrian, You learn a new thing everyday. Waste isn't really my thing, asbestos is. Thanks for the info. Mark
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#23 Posted : 09 February 2006 09:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson I work in the ASI industry mate, 1. What is it? Cement! then can use unlicensed contractor but still have to follow the CAW Regs and Asbestos Essentials Task Manual (HSG210) If AIB or other insulation covered by the CAW Regs then a Licensed Contractor must be used
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#24 Posted : 09 February 2006 11:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Danny O'Donnell Adrian, I stand open to correction, but I think the Special Waste Regs 1996 were amended by the Special Waste Amendment (Scotland) Regulations 2004. The latter effectively ensured that Scottish legislation met all the requirements of the European Hazardous Waste Directive. The definition of 'Special Waste' is therefore basically identical in all respects to the definition of 'Hazardous Waste' in the Directive. As a result, there was no requirement for separate Hazardous Waste Regulations in Scotland and the 2005 Regulations do not apply north of the border. Regards Danny
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#25 Posted : 09 February 2006 11:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By MarkJAWatkins Hi everybody, Does anyone know the actual regs for asbestos waste in Scotland? There seems to be a difference of opinion. Any help would be fantastic. Regards, Mark
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#26 Posted : 09 February 2006 13:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By dbaird Mark, Go onto SEPA website and into NetRegs section gives great guidance on all sorts. Cheers, Dave
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#27 Posted : 09 February 2006 14:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By MarkJAWatkins Hi everybody. Confirmation from SEPA. It is the Special Waste Regs 1996 (amended) for Scotland. Regards, Mark
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#28 Posted : 10 February 2006 13:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ashley Williams Hi Bob, have you looked at the Bodgit and Scarper pop up asbestos removal book i lent you yet? Ash
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#29 Posted : 10 February 2006 16:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson Thanks Mark, I stand corrected. It's all that foreign law that gets me! Regards Adrian
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