Posted By Smurfer Correct me if I sound naive, but i would've thought your course provider would've given you some clue as to what the report should include.

Posted By JW Usually course providers give you example templates when you do the course. I think you also have to submit two survey reports of surveys YOU have completed, supervised by a qualified/competent person.

Posted By MarkJAWatkins Chris, I acknowledge the problems that you have encountered with "hard to follow" reports. The HSE are cracking down on doggy reports. It makes common sense to have user friendly reports to help people formulate an effective management plan. Do you mind if I ask if you are having problems with reports that are compiled by Analysts, removal contractors or consultants? or all of them? I am not saying that any one area is worse than others at producing reports (I have worked for all 3!) It would just be interesting to know peoples opinion on this. Regards, Mark Watkins

Posted By MarkJAWatkins that is very disappointing.

Posted By Adrian Watson Dear All, Having written a few, read many more, and taught people how to survey for asbestos, the great problem I now find is that survey companies follow MDHS 100 without a single thought what-so-ever. Whilst survey companies should adapt the survey report to meet the needs of the client (MDHS 100 allows and encourages this) they follow the format that appeases UKAS and causes them the least amount of work! I now write a prescriptive standard to be contained in the contract with the survey company as I have seen so many surveys that don’t meet the client’s needs. The contractual clause requires that the surveyor: List the areas that are surveyed (Not areas that have not been surveyed- how can you report not surveying an area you don't know about?); Detail any exclusions in the areas surveyed; Provide construction details with the locations of all building materials found (including non-asbestos materials) used in the building; Provide marked up plans; Provide a materials (PEST)algorithm in a descriptive formatfor all asbestos containing materials ; and Make NO RECOMMENDATIONS as to the management of the asbestos. Regards Adrian Watson

Posted By Adrian Watson Bob, I agree, but that's why I require the surveyor to list all the areas surveyed. If the area is not listed as being surveyed; it's not been surveyed! Regarding the extent of the survey, the greatest problem I find on the client side is that they don't tell the surveyor what they need and don't tell the surveyor what work is to be carried out in the building if it is to be refurbished. Whether you presume asbestos is present or not, in an area not listed as being surveyed depends upon the totality of the evidence. If a room was missed, but every other room in the building had been surveyed and no asbestos had been found, would you presume asbestos was present? I wouldn't! However I would tell people that it had not been surveyed; that it should be compared against other rooms that had been surveyed; and if there were any differences the supervisor should be informed any work is carried our. My default position is “if in doubt, ask!” Regards Adrian Watson

Posted By Adrian Watson Bob, I agree that all areas should be surveyed, but there are often reasons why they are not (for example not having plans before the survey and being shown round a building by somebody who doesn't know the building or who doesn't show you an area), that's why I require the surveyor to list all the areas surveyed. If the area is not listed as being surveyed; it's not been surveyed! Regarding the extent of the survey, the greatest problem I find on the client side is that they don't tell the surveyor what they need and don't tell the surveyor what work is to be carried out in the building if it is to be refurbished. If you do give the surveyor your proposed scope of works, you are not in the majority of clients. Whether you presume asbestos is present or not, in an area not listed as being surveyed depends upon the totality of the evidence. If a room was missed, but every other room in the building had been surveyed and no asbestos had been found, would you presume asbestos was present? I wouldn't! However I would tell people that it had not been surveyed; that it should be compared against other rooms that had been surveyed; and if there were any differences the supervisor must be informed before any work is carried our. My default position is “if in doubt, ask!” Regards Adrian Watson

Posted By Dave Wilson Dont want a type 3 survey do a type two - 2 months later Why didnt you find this behind this boxing and under the plaster. I want a type 3 survey done - 2 Months later 'What the hell have you done to my building whi is going to pick up the cost of repair!!. It need and demands very close Client / Surveyor communication and exactly what is going to happen. I know UKAS Accredited companies who actively keep the Material RA below the 'High Risk' and then recommend that you use them to manage the ASi but when they come in they say 'Really should have that removed & I know a man who can!' against UKAS and xtremely dodgy. The Surveying Company should after the Material Survey come in and explain it to you and then explain the next steps with regards to management and Preiority Risk assessments which the client has to do and trust me its not rocket science. Read a Comporehensive Guide to Managing Asbestos in Non Domestic Premises from the HSE

Posted By A Cathro Hi, I did the P402 course about 18 months ago. I was issued with a paper which gave guidance for candidates on submission of reports. If you were not given one contact The British Occupational Hygiene Society. It was a useful aid for when I picked an area to report on. Andy