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#1 Posted : 13 February 2006 08:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert Weiland I have just had letter from my work, I asked to study Construction Certificate and was told it would be ok after consideration. This is after the main director said I needed to study it for the companies benefit. I have recieved a snooty letter from HR this morning stating that they won't allow me any release for the day so I have to work my contracted hours in 4 days and that even if I leave within 18 months I still have to pay back a good chunk of the course costs. It's really got my goat up, I don't mind paying for the course if I leave, but having to work the extra hours just seems a bit harsh. Is this common practise out there or am I getting a raw deal ? Anyone out there know what the homework is like on the course, apart from reading case notes etc ? Cheers for reading this, I needed to vent my frustration somewhere.
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#2 Posted : 13 February 2006 09:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By ian milne Yes! Management often have a tough time in maintaining the motivation of staff, ensuring that they are competent to do the job while recognising that if they do provide the training needed, the employee often walks out the door into another better paying job using the new skills picked up. This is because the employee sometimes feel that they are better than the company and feel 'undercherished', and are now motivated to change as much as possible. I myself opted to pay for my own course after getting fed up chasing my then employers for a whole year to pay for NVQ. Then once I payed for it and started studying, they realised I was serious and offered to pay towards it but recoup if I left within three years. Hence to say that conversation did not last long. They did not like that so I was advised to 'study in your own time, not companies as your here to work'. So you see, I find that there are still many employers out there that do follow this trend and its up to you to prove them wrong. All they wish to do if retain their talent, albeit in a misguided way. Stay the course my friend and keep thinking towards the future. Ian
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#3 Posted : 13 February 2006 09:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Hay There is nothing unusual about making you pay if you leave, but it seems rather harsh to expect you to work a full weeks work in 4 days and then do a full days training plus all the study that goes with it. If I were you I'd look at doing it distance learning (RRC offer excellent programmes) and paying for it yourself. I know this would involve investment on your behalf (both in money and time), but imagine how good you will feel when you get the qualification, get a new job, hand in your notice and go and work for an employer who sees investing in their employees development as a positive thing! Best of luck, Paul.
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#4 Posted : 13 February 2006 09:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stupendous Man All employers I have worked for, both public and private sector have expected me to contribute towards the time commitment for training such as this. I would be more than happy to undertake training if I could do my hours over four days instead of five. It's a luxury to have a whole day you can dedicate to studying. Unfortunately, I suspect like many others, I had to work five days a week and fit studying in the evening and at weekends. Of course it would be nice to get the entire training time from your employer, but in reality many firms are unable to commit to this.
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#5 Posted : 13 February 2006 09:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Price Robert check this out http://www.dti.gov.uk/er...y/contracts-pl810b.htm#2
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#6 Posted : 13 February 2006 14:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Weir-Ewing Me too! Reason - you have enough skills for the job (Nebosh Cert) although I think they would have taken someone without, bit of bonus maybe. I have offered unpaid time off, paying etc, They will give no time off, not even 3 days over the year for blended learning. My solution will be distance or NVQ. The latter is a problem in that there must surely be some contact with the company in some of the assignments after talking to SHEilds Ltd there is a need for some interaction! But I have been told it must not be a burden on the company or your job. They do not think about any benefits to them even in the short term. Ian, you must have work where I work!! Paul H, RRC did you do this route because its them that v’s a NVQ for Dip course. Sorry Robert to poach a bit on your thread! But you seem in the same spot as me and I wonder which is the best Exam or NVQ to suit my workload. Rich
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#7 Posted : 13 February 2006 20:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Cartwright Hi Robert Your forgetting one thing. Under Section 2 of the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 employers have to provide information, instruction, TRAINING & supervision. If your employer decides that you need to do a particular course to enable you to do your job then they should pay for it. As for claiming back the money for courses attended your employer would be on dodgey ground, providing you can prove the training was necessary for you to carry out your job. The only time your employer may have a case is if they provided training that was not related to your job. Employers who do not provide training are in breach of the Health and Safety at Work etc Act. Steve
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#8 Posted : 14 February 2006 11:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Clifton Robert Been there, done that and I really do have the T-Shirt. Once again we have an employer who needs a 'competent person' to turn to or blame when things go pear shaped (I suspect the latter). Distance learning seems to be your best option. Get the qualification, go job hunting for an employer who does give a damn. Photo-copy your certificate and give it to your present employer along with your resignation when you find another employer. It is a real shame that this sort thing happens and you have my comiserations for the position in which you find yourself. Adrian
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#9 Posted : 14 February 2006 12:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Haley Hi Robert I am a little suprised that you need the day off work. The NVQ is a work based prgramme faciltated through a specialist College. There will be learning to undertake and most people do this at home in their own time and perhaps only a few lucky ones get time off work. There will also be worked based development and learning. It would perhaps be worth your while talking to BCS College and obtaining more guidance on how the programme operates and how it affects you and your work. The NVQ 4 is not easy and there will be hard work involved, but it may prove to be a little more user friendly than perhaps you might imagine. Contacts are: e mail safety@bcscollege.com or Tel Chris on 0115 927 4921 or have a look on line at www.bcscollege.com
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#10 Posted : 15 February 2006 12:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert Weiland Thanks for your helps guys, it's just a case of go with flow and do it. I need day off as the Course is on a Friday 8.45 till 6 - even though my normal working hours are 8 - 3.30 on a Friday. Cheers for your help everyone.
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