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Posted By Dazmo
Happy Friday Forum Readers!
OK, so this probably is your usual RIDDOR question. I seem to have got myself a little confused.
Was reading a document regarding HAV and RIDDOR written by a safety consultant that said:
"under these regulations both HAV and Carpel Tunnel Syndrome are reportable diseases for certain listed occupations"
Certain listed occupations? Schedule 3 of L73 says that for the disease Carpel Tunnel Syndrome it should be reported for:
"Work involving the use of handheld vibrating tools".
What if the CTS is not caused by vibrating tools but is confirmed as work related?
Surely the HSE would want to know. I wasn’t sure so thought I would check with HSE incident contact centre who initially confirmed that under RIDDOR CTS if not caused by vibrating equipment doesn't need to be reported.
I asked if they were sure and they put me on hold for what seemed like an age and then said they would like cases of CTS reported if work related even if not caused by vibrating equipment. They would just log it as something else.
Am now confused. Is it or isn't it reportable? What do others do?
Is this just one of those situations of report it to be on the safe side?
Any direction on this greatly appreciated.
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Posted By Jack
My view is that you only report where indicated in the Schedule.
Note that HAVS is also reportable (as your consultant said).
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Posted By DJ
Daz,
Regulation 5 (1) RIDDOR makes it clear that unless the disease is one of those specified in column 1 of Part 1 of Schedule 3 AND
the individual's work involves one of the activities specified in column 2, the disease is not reportable under RIDDOR.
It may be the case that the HSE would like people to report the incidence of CTS in any event, and that is fine, but there is no 'legal' obligation under RIDDOR to do so. Consequently, there can be no penalty for failing to report CTS in such a case.
I hope this clarifies things.
Regards. DJ
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Posted By Red Ones
Sorry, I get hung up on the quesetion "Is this reportable?" If the HSE would like the information and it is not a great burden to provide it, then what is the problem? If it is not repoirtable the HSE will inform you that it is not, and you can then remove it from your statistics.
Conversely what irritates me is that Near Misses are recordable, yet few people bother reporting them. We probably all agree here that the info we gather helps make informed decisions, surely this attitude should be extended to those occurances that are NOT covered by RIDDOR, but help keep the HSE informed.
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Posted By stephencarey
From the RIDDOR site i suppose it is whether you call this an injury or not!!!!!
Over-three-day injury
If there is an accident connected with work (including an act of physical violence) and your employee, or a self-employed person working on your premises, suffers an over-three-day injury you must report it to the enforcing authority within ten days.
An over-3-day injury is one which is not "major" but results in the injured person being away from work OR unable to do their full range of their normal duties for more than three days.
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Posted By Paul Bellis
The conditions are reportable under the specified occupational diseases section - schedule 3 -only if diagnosed as such by a GP on a doctors note or such, if off ill and self reporting only it is not reportable, it has to be confirmed by a medical practitioner as as either:-
Cramp of the hand or forearm - due work involving prolonged periods of to repetitive movements, ie by handwriting, typing or other repetitive movements of the fingers, hand or arm.
Traumatic inflammation of the tendons of the hand or forearm or the associated tendon sheaths from Physically demanding work, frequent or repeated movements, constrained postures or extremes of extension or flexion of the hand or wrist.
Carpal tunnel syndrome from Work involving the use of hand-held vibrating tools.
Or Hand-arm vibration syndrome from a number of mechanical sources.
but as a previous respondent noted if in doubt report!
Paul
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