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Posted By R. C. Hodson
My company has recently invested in a new site which has barbwire around some of the primeter fencing. I have been thinking of having this removed (or at least advising to have it moved),what are everyones thoughts on barbwire good deterant or fast track to court?
Ryan.
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Posted By Jim Walker
Razor wire is faaaaaaar better.
Seriously, so long as its above a certain height, what's the problem?
Has anyone actually "been to court" because of barbed wire or is it just another urban myth
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Posted By Mark Talbot
From memory (I can't look it up just now) a warning would be needed if the wire was not obvious, so if it goes out of view at any feature, suggest you put up a warning notice.
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Posted By R. C. Hodson
Thanks gents.
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Posted By David Kimmins
Bad guys climb over barb wire fences, they take the risk of hurting themselves with the choices they make in life. I'm sure these people have done a thorough mental risk assement including the liklihood of capture/ripped trousers/dog bite etc.. prior to any 'work' activity.
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Posted By Jerry Lucey
You have a duty under the Duty of Common Humanity to those entering your site, including trespassers. Under this Duty you would be liable for injury, however not for damage to possessions, clothing etc.
I would carry out a risk assessment as by removing the barbed wire you may be exposing a greater risk i.e. by removing the deterrent to those entering the site would you be exposing these individuals to greater risk e.g. falling from height while climbing over the wall.
Would it be reasonably practicable to introduce an alternative measure to fulfil the role being filled by the barbed wire at present.
A risk assessment should be the first step in the process of deciding whether the barbed wire is removed or not.
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Posted By DIANE
Razor wire is preferable if you feel you must have a deterant of this kind. The reason being barbed wire rips and tears the skin and can leave deep ragged cuts which are difficult to repair by the surgeons. However Razor wire can cause deep cuts but they will be straight and even, easier to repair the damaged skin leaving only neat scarring as oppossed to zig zag hidious scars!
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Posted By Brett Day
Why is razor wire preferable ?? Granted barbed wire causes mainly puncture wounds and can rip. It is easier to overcome than razor wire.
The reason that razor wire came into use was that being very sharp many of the ways around barbed wire (throwing blankets over the wire first) didn't work as effectively with razor wire, also by having the ability to cut straight and deep it is better at cutting into the arteries in the wrists - look at how you would climb a fence, what part of your arms are closest to the fence (and therefore the wire) yes the wrists.
Razor wire came into use first as a military application because of it's ease at causing serious or fatal injuries to an intruder.
How commercial razor wire compares to the stuff that is used on military bases I don't know but certainly would prefer to try and scale a fence with barbed wire than razor wire.
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Posted By DIANE
I hope would be intruders and thieves have the same line of thought!
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Posted By Brett Day
Just to clarify my comments were in relation to the injury potential rather than the security aspects.
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Posted By Philip McAleenan
Remember folks, children climb walls and fences for a wide variety of reasons, and not always mischievous or malicious.
Ryan, if you are recommending an alternative to barbed wire, there are non-lethal, non-injurious deterrents in terms of fence construction, e.g. outward sloping tops, or (for walls) wide diameter cylindrical coping stones. Very difficult to climb and those that attempt will not be ripped to shreds. We mightn’t like the bad guys, but we certainly don’t want to kill or injure them either.
Philip
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Posted By R. C. Hodson
Good point Phillip, think i might include that idea in the risk assessment.
Thanks to all.
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Posted By Descarte
Where I went to uni local residents has smashed glass bottles and concreted them in to the tops of walls, walls were about 6 foot - 8 foot high and clearly visibnle to adults (and students) but not for kids.
Thought that was a bit harsh
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
My memory is that the wire must be at least 2.4m, at any point, above ground level. The wire must also not protrude beyond the site boundary, not even into the airspace! This means regular maintenance regimes to ensure that the parameters are met.
I also seem to recollect that you can also install electric fencing at this height! Fewer injuries than either barbed or razor wire, but signage has to be clear and unambiguous.
Bob
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