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#1 Posted : 01 March 2006 15:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Cooper This is the extract from HSE31 (rev1) RIDDOR EXPLAINED, published by the HSE: "An over-three-day injury is one which is not major but results in the injured person being away from work or unable to do the full range of their normal duties for more than three days (including any days they wouldn’t normally be expected to work such as weekends, rest days or holidays) not counting the day of the injury itself." Fine so far! However, take the following scenario: EEE injured on a Thursday and goes home, is absent on Friday but returns to work on a Monday. Reportable? I have always believed so but I am meeting a lot of opposition to the idea, including from the HSE Incident Contact Centre! Opinions from esteemed colleagues would be welcomed. Frank Cooper
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#2 Posted : 01 March 2006 16:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster Would the EEE have been fit to work on Saturday or Sunday had they been normal working days? If yes, not reportable. If still would have been unfit Sunday then reportable.
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#3 Posted : 01 March 2006 16:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kevin Drew It isn't reportable since it isn't greater than 3 days - it is 3 days not counting the day it happened. Kevin Drew
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#4 Posted : 01 March 2006 16:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster I missed picking that up, Kevin, as of course the IP would have to have been absent for MORE than three days. However, I think Frank's dilemma is in the non-working days. Frank, if your EEE was injured on Wednesday, off Thursday & Friday and back Monday then that might be the illustration you are looking for and my previous reply would stand.
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#5 Posted : 01 March 2006 16:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Cooper John, If the IP was injured on a Wednesday and off work Thursday and Friday, returning on Monday I would have no problem in saying that such an incident was reportable. The argument arises with my scenario over what exactly constitutes "over three-days", which I had always assumed to be an absence of three consecutive periods of 24 hours i.e Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I have always considered the return to work on a Monday makes it reportable. Frank Cooper
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#6 Posted : 02 March 2006 07:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson Frank, The question is when does the clock start? As the clock starts on Friday 0000 and ends Sunday 2359 if the person returns to work on Monday for their first available shift they are not away from their normal duties for more than three days. As such it is not reportable. Regards Adrian Watson
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#7 Posted : 02 March 2006 10:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster Frank ...and I would say if injured Wednesday and back Monday, NOT reportable if would have been fit to resume work Saturday or Sunday had they been working days. So one of us is wrong on how to interpret rest days, but which is it? If we do not consider fitness to work for those rest days, i.e. we only look at the total number of days away from the workplace, then the over 3 day accident data are going to be exaggerated for accidents occuring Tuesdays and Wednesdays, which I am sure is not what RIDDOR intended.
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#8 Posted : 02 March 2006 10:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight John, The test is fit for work (normal work, in fact), not presence or absence from work, so the weekend does indeed only ever count if the IP is unfit for their normal work, John
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#9 Posted : 02 March 2006 12:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Devlin It would be easier if your company made it a rule as most do that the employee who is sick/injured etc must phone and let the employer know if they are returning to work. I would assume that most places are the same in that they count weekends in with an employees absence under their particular attendance procedure unless the employee calls on the friday and states that they will return on the monday. Therefore if the employee in question did not call to say they were fit for work then the saturday and sunday should count towards the absence and this would make it reportable.
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