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#1 Posted : 02 March 2006 17:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Milica I work in a school where the florescent lighting is only 61cm above my head. I have frequent headaches and sore eyes. These are becoming more persistent. Is there any guidance on the distance away from the head that it is safe to have these lights? I spend between eight and 10 hours a day under them and am concerend that they are affecting my health. If you know where I can get further information I would be very greatful.
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#2 Posted : 03 March 2006 05:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Not an expert, but understand that the 60 hertz cycle causes a flicker which may affect sensitive people. Double-tube installations may counteract or reduce the flicker effect.
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#3 Posted : 03 March 2006 08:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Elliott Not an expert either - but have you considered that it might be something else causing your symptoms. What is it that you are doing for 8 -10 hours?
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#4 Posted : 03 March 2006 09:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stuart Henderson No expert however we received assistance from Employment Advisory Service on the Code for Interim Lighting, if of any use. Tel: 0208. 675. 5211. Good luck, Stuart..
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#5 Posted : 03 March 2006 12:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gary L You could take a look at HSG38, Lighting at Work. If that doesn't tell you, one of the documents in its reference section may help. Alternatively there is a code for lighting produced by CIBSE (Chartered Institute of Building Services Engineers)
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#6 Posted : 03 March 2006 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Young Do the lights have diffusers? If not, they should have, however as Merv said, frequency of electrical supply does cause flicker on Fluorescent lighting
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#7 Posted : 03 March 2006 14:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Calum R Cameron If it is what is called the "stroboscopic effect" which is causing your headaches-there are a number of solutions. 1. Mix in filament lamps. 2. Spread the lighting in the room over more than one phase therefore placing the supplies 120 degrees out of phse with each other. 3. Place a double fitting instead of a single tube fitting with a capacitor to alter the phasing of current and voltage and therefore counter the effect of the supply frequency of 50 hz (50 Cycles per sec). These are well known methods and a decent spark should be able to help if this is the problem. Also a parablic diffuser may help to limit the effect. Hope this is of some help-I was a spark in a past life. Cheers. Calum
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#8 Posted : 03 March 2006 17:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Milica Thanks to everyone who has responded so far. As a follow on to some of the comments, I am a teacher and stand up in front of the class for most of the day. On two out of 5 days I begin teaching at 8am. I usually leave at 6pm after marking and prepartion. I did not have such headaches in other classrooms in the school but the classroom I currently teach in has been converted from an old toilet block and has very low ceilings which is why the florescent lighting is so low. I am still looking for some clarification on safe working distance from the light source. I am now taking medication to prevent the headaches starting in the first place but if I can eliminate the cause that would be far better. Thanks for any response.
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#9 Posted : 03 March 2006 17:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Calum seems to be the expert here. I thought it was 60 Hz, not 50. Doesn't matter. My sympathies to Milica, hope we have helped. The reference to "sparks" reminded me of the time we had an electrician called John Hurket. (THIS is REALLY, REALLY true. Honest. My word as a consultant and CSP) John was nick named "Hurket the circuit". Logical,yeah ? (I think someone was a fan of Thrud the Impaler) So then we employed his son. "Short circuit"
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#10 Posted : 06 March 2006 18:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By MungoDundas You could try to find out which type of internal control gear is used in your lights; switchstart, electronic start or high frequency. If it is a new installation, one would imagine that the latest type of high frequency lighting has been used, indeed the Scottish Executive Building Standards require you to have a pretty good reason for not installing the most efficient lighting available. True they cost more - but can offer a payback in energy saving, longer time between re-lamping, more productivity from staff in the late afternoon, etc.. High frequency lighting and some pot plants often help to improve the atmosphere some indoor fluorescent lighting can create. Additionally, daylight matching tubes are not that much more expensive than normal white ones. Attention should also be paid to controlling glare and where suitable using diffused/reflected light. If practical a mix of different lighting types can help. Brief overview at, amongst others, http://www.cooper-ls.com/dg_circuits.html
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#11 Posted : 07 March 2006 11:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster Merv To put your mind at rest, 60Hz is the American standard (USA, Canada, parts of Central & South America, western Japan and Saudi Arabia). Most of the rest of the world (and I include your favoured abode) runs at 50Hz. American designed oil rigs can sometimes throw up a few anomolies!
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#12 Posted : 07 March 2006 12:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kevin Walker Hi As no one has really answered your question, there is a known side effect in a small number of people that suffer from working close to fluorescent lights, symptoms include sore eyes and headaches. Part of the reason for this is the emission of electric fields. Fluroescent light due to the way they function emit electrical fields over short distances generally 2-5 feet. If you are experiencing these symptoms it could be related to distance you are from the lights or the condition and age of the fitting. It would be worth getting an assessment of the EMF of the light fitting to see if it is over the recommneded levels. It may also be that the light fitting is old and needs replacement. hope this helps kevin
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#13 Posted : 07 March 2006 12:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson Dear Milica, The most likely cause of the headaches etc, if it is due to the lighting is discomfort glare. If the tubes are in the periphery of your visual field and they will be at this distance above your head, your eyes will unconsciously "drift" towards the brighter light source. This is likely to cause headache and sore eyes. The solution is to lift the light fittings or put in opaque diffusers as this will reduce the contrast between the light and the surroundings. If this does not work, then look at the lamp’s operating frequency. As this is cheaper than changing the fluorescent tube with a filament lamp or changing the fluorescent tube’s operating frequency I would do this first. Regards Adrian Watson.
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#14 Posted : 07 March 2006 13:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte Kevin, If you have ever measured any of these EMF's you would notice that the concentration reduces dramatically from source at a exponential level. High reading of 500 - 1000 at source (1") would reduce to 10 at distances less than 12" well below the exposure limits. May be worth measuring but I would doubt there would be any effect from EMF
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#15 Posted : 07 March 2006 14:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kevin Walker Descarte, I am very aware of this in that the EMF drops away very quickly and in most cases it is within a few inches. What is unknown in this case is the age and type of the fluroescent tube fitting. While most modern systems will disipate the EMF very quickly, there is some information out there that points to fluoro tubes with much older initators and transformers pushing it much further than that. I would though tend to concur that it is more likely to be intensity and glare in the periphery of the eye. However this should still be considered. cheers kevin
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#16 Posted : 07 March 2006 15:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Descarte Also I suppose as with DSE, concentration on fixed objects or pupils whilst working can lead to a reduction in blink rate leading to dryness, sore and aching eyes, fatigue and headaches. Everyones object for the day - Blink more!
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