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#1 Posted : 13 March 2006 18:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By MarkSMark Dear all How do you weed out liars from a large organisation? I conducted an accident investigation recently and discovered one of the witnesses to be a liar. To discourage others from doing the same I put posters of him around the entire site with the label 'LIAR' with the facts and cirumstances of his lies. A new person in Human Resources has criticised me for this as it may embarrass him. I told her to stop harrassing me or I will put posters of her around site with the label 'CONSPIRATOR'. I mean, if I can't publicly show their disgrace how else are we supposed to stop people lying in these investigations? They dont't just let themselves down, but everyone they work with. I would appreciate your suggestions- those fluffy, hippy types who say things like 'positively encourage' need not reply. Thanks Marky
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#2 Posted : 13 March 2006 18:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By oluwole, thompson, olugbenga It is really sad that people will be lying even after an accident had occured! My advise: 1. The whole workforce need to undergo a re-orientation on safety in workplaces i.e SAFETY AWARENESS. 2. They need to understand that when an accident occur and a proper investigation is not carried out there is the likelyhood that it can reoccured again. 3. The issue of Safety should not be confrontational but rather an instrument to bring accidents to Zero, which is possible if there are cooperation from all the workforce. Regards, Oluwole Thompson
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#3 Posted : 13 March 2006 19:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke Obviously these people do not support the safety cause. A development task should be set. I suggest they should each gain 5 safety passports at their own expense! he he. I thought we'd lost you for a while. Linda
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#4 Posted : 14 March 2006 08:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By John McFeely I hope this is a joke. If what you claim is true and you have done what you claim you have, then you are worse than the person you claim is a liar and are most probably causing more damage than s/he has. As a safety professional our job is to investigate, not aportion blame, and certainly not to publicly humiliate someone because of our own beliefs. Take my advice and remove the posters and appologise to this person before he seeks legal advice and make a grievance against you to the Company.
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#5 Posted : 14 March 2006 08:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap If all is true. Stand by you guns. Dismiss them as not co-operating with the employer on matters of safety. (gross misconduct). Stand by what you believe in
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#6 Posted : 14 March 2006 08:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Daniel Stonehouse To John and others who have logged on this morning and read this thread, please look at some of the other threads that this person has posted, then have a laugh and get on with some real work.Nice to see you are still with us 'Mark'. Have you sorted out your sausage issues yet?
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#7 Posted : 14 March 2006 09:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hilary Charlton Mark Every time I think you can't get more outrageous you do! I sincerely hope that this is a wind up because if you are genuine your actions could leave you wide open to libel claims and all sorts! Hilary
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#8 Posted : 14 March 2006 09:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer Oh come on, its all very well taking a joke, blowing things out of proportion - lets all not go too far here. Liars, believe it or not are unfortunately all too common these days, however as an earlier response states we are not in the position to apprortion blame. In my opinion, if you have to blame someone, then blame the management for creating the "Liar" culture in the first place. Far better to eradicate the culture by promoting safety awareness, get employees to accept ownership more, discipline & get rid of those who fail to cooperate, re-educate constantly, recruit the RIGHT (and honest) people - it will take time, it is possible. At the end of the day, how can H&S practitioners expect to be recognised as a chartered professional when this kind of mentality still exists. The next person that tells me to stop winding people up .............! Can anyone give me a telephone number for a solicitor that deals with slander and libellious cases?
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#9 Posted : 14 March 2006 10:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By John McFeely Thanks for the advice Daniel, had a quick browse and couldn't stop laughing. Mark you got me. Loved the one about the sausages, I'm still laughing. Keep it up! Jackie McFeely
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#10 Posted : 14 March 2006 16:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer I really wondered about all these "welcome backs". Had a first look at Marks previous postings, had a little chuckle, got to admit you had me.......! Thank goodness for the thick skin .............! Look forward to more laughs!
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#11 Posted : 14 March 2006 17:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp It is nice to see that everyone can still laugh a little...even the unsuspecting. Perhaps the IOSH hierachy should take note, after all, they did cut short the 'sausages' (no pun intended). Ray
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#12 Posted : 14 March 2006 17:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Here's one I wrote earlier..... Our resident troll must be loving it, especially since there has been a history of some readers not realising that the troll is spoofing. The responses to its postings make us look either dumb or with too much time on our hands. Edited guidance from the internet……. Trolls are people who come onto forums and post things to create a disturbance within the online community. What motivates a troll? Some motivations are: • Attention seeking. These types of trolls love to take over a chat with anger and profanity. They love when the other chatters or forum members feed into their games. Trolls will also break the terms of usage just to see if any action will be taken or just how far they can push the rules. • Amusement is another motive. • Boredom is another. For example, a bored teenager may begin talking about gross or sexually explicit things just to get a reaction from older chatters. • Wasting time is also something trolls do, and they do it with little effort. Trolls love the domino effect. They will post a small offensive post, and the members of the chat community will grab it and run with it until the whole room is out of control. Meanwhile the troll is sitting behind the screen laughing his butt off, watching the community make fools of themselves. Dealing with Trolls Some things you can do are: • Ignore them. Imagine the frustration the troll will feel when no one pays any attention to anything it says! • Step back and allow the moderator to handle the situation.. Chatters may think that action is not being taken because they don't see it happening in open chat, but what a chatter does not realise is a lot of interactions that take place between hosts and trolls take place behind the scenes in private chats • On the forums, never reply to a troll's message, unless it is to say "I'm reporting this post." (If you've reported it and say so, a dozen others won't also think they need to report it.) When the online community collectively ignore the trolls, usually they will get bored and leave Nothing wrong with humour - particularly when you are trying to get your message across. The problem is that the Jeremy Clarksons of this world will see our members reacting to a spoof and thinking either too much time on their hands or thicko. Regards, Peter
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#13 Posted : 14 March 2006 17:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Peter, I agree, but I think that Mark is becoming one of the traditions of this chat show. And, perhaps, a marker of how closely some people follow the postings. I must admit that when he first started posting I reacted against him and was astonished by how many people tried to come up with a serious, considered answer to his posting. Nowadays I accept that he sometimes reflects our innermost thoughts/wishes on how to react to employees and managers who really don't get it. (killl-kill-beat-to-a-pulp-jump-up-and-down-on-their-bones-humiliate-chinese-burn. Aaaah, that's better) Reflect on what Mark proposes and it is really, really cathartic. Although often, but not always, I submit, impracticable. Don't you just wish you had the nerve/power to do what he proposes ? Mein Gotte ! Merv
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