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#1 Posted : 16 March 2006 13:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert Weiland My next door neighbour has just rang me, she takes her 10 year old to a dance school and the 19 year old girl who teaches appears to be enjoying herself a little too much. She has rang me and asked what she can do.... I told her to voice her concern to the owner who has now rang me and said she's aware of the problem but wants to know what I suggest she does... I am scratching my head, I've dealt with adults but with children being involved I'm guessing the rules are different. Can anyone point me in the right direction.
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#2 Posted : 16 March 2006 13:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By gham Robert (hows scott getting on ;-) If she is aware of the probelm it suggests that this has been an issue for some time. If it's a case of she only does it know and again perhaps a personal approach may be in order as there may be an underlying reason for it which may require support, it may be appropriate to give he a break fron the classess until she can turn up sober, assuming that she has been drinking before she goes. Offer her a piece of pie, so to speak (that's the compassionate me i'm in a good mood today)
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#3 Posted : 16 March 2006 14:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sean Fraser Robert, First off, you are only to express a personal and not a professional opinion. You are not "giving advice" but just discussing a situation that causes general concern . . . Second, I don't know where you are based or how you are involved in this, but in Scotland anyone working with children or vulnerable adults needs to go through a disclosure process before they can do so, either as work or as a volunteer. In relation to this scenario, the individual concerned will be jeopardising future career prospects if something goes seriously wrong and they are found to have been grossly negligent due to alcoholic inebriation. Any prosecution would show up in future disclosue checks. If they don't care enough about their livelihood, then can they be trusted to look after the welfare of a child no matter how long or short the period may be? In terms of safety, is it acceptable to have someone work who has deliberately imbided a drug that reduces inhibitions, increases response times and causes mental confusion? A quiet word nothing - shape up or ship out. Coming in worse for wear after the night before is bad enough - having a few swift ones before turning up is something else. Unacceptable. If it were my child, I'd be looking for an alternative teacher and I would not be recommending any school that does not take effective action on such a matter. At least that is my personal opinion . . . ;-)
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#4 Posted : 16 March 2006 16:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. God help us... but it seems the whole world and its aunt can't make a difficult decision. Doesn't this company, school whatever have a disciplinary procedure? There is no place for booze in this workplace... I would sack the teacher.
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#5 Posted : 16 March 2006 21:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By RP Agree totally - Sack the teacher, no questions...
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#6 Posted : 16 March 2006 22:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Aidan Toner Yes-Sack her(retain the bottle,still full, I hope-For evidence purposes!!) No.Wait a minute.Drug and alcohol Dependency?? Best offer her a rehabilitation course to keek you out of an employer's tribunal!! No.No. wait further!!Have you still got the bottle.Yes-Then GOOD. Take a good stiff drink yourself and show her the road with a flourish of your big toe!!
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#7 Posted : 17 March 2006 00:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Aidan Toner Ah no,no-I was only joking!! Dont sack her and send her away.IF she is a really good dancer bring her back here to the party.Happy St Patrick's Day everyone.........!!
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#8 Posted : 17 March 2006 07:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By adrian roberts The Health & Safety at Work Act 1974 says the following: You have a general duty under the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 to ensure, as far as is reasonably practicable, the health, safety and welfare of your employees. If you knowingly allow an employee under the influence of excess alcohol to continue working and this places the employee or others at risk, you could be prosecuted. Similarly, your employees are also required to take reasonable care of themselves and others who could be affected by what they do. Hope this helps.
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#9 Posted : 17 March 2006 08:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap Ask her if she wants to come out for a drink. I'm doing nothing this weekend.
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#10 Posted : 17 March 2006 09:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Haynes jackw said " I would sack the teacher." I think the problem goes deeper than that - the 'dance school', by knowingly employing a teacher with a 'problem', is failing its duty of care to 'Children and Young Persons' - so it should be reported [not sure whether its to 'Social Services', Education Authority or Police - try the Police - they always suitably over-react]. Sacking the Teacher doesn't solve the problem of a badly managed school that could continue to place children at risk.
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#11 Posted : 17 March 2006 12:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fred Pratley Robert, If this is the typical afterschool/saturday dance class situation, tell your neighbour to talk with other parents attending. get her to ask around and gain opinion as to the teachers condition. If she is genuinely genuinely under the influence, then ask them to meet with the owner as a group. if there are enough of you, the owner will tackle the teacher or you can all vote with your feet and transfer to another school. the children will all keep their friends etc. Regards Fred
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#12 Posted : 20 March 2006 08:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert Weiland Thanks all, to be honest I didn't wanna get involved too deep. My neighbour stopped me yesterday and said that the girl has parted ways with the dance school. I was just a bit careful as I was suddenly advising on something I didn't wanna get too involved in. But I relayed the comments to the dance teacher who has taken action in someway. Everyone who replied thanks it was a great help. Scott's fine as far as I know. ;0)
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#13 Posted : 20 March 2006 15:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Hi All, I relise this thread has now finished, but thought i should add to it. All Dancing teachers will be a member of one or more associations. The associations would be very dissapointed to learn that they have have a teacher who may be suffreing from a drink problem which may lead to the safety of the child been put at risk. I myself sit on a commitee for the Dance teachers association and would certinaly advise any parent who has concerns to contact the teachers assocaition. Regards.
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#14 Posted : 21 March 2006 08:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven bentham I dont know about you lot but I need a drink before I get up and dance!
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#15 Posted : 21 March 2006 17:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan McCoy Suspend the teacher, investigate the drinking, if you feel the teacher is having issues recommend counciling. If she doesn't receive counciling, termination may be the only way. But SUSPEND straight away !
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