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#1 Posted : 03 April 2006 10:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By MancMan this may sound very basic but can someone please explain the meaning of the term "Due Diligence" in the context of H&S?? Thanks
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#2 Posted : 03 April 2006 11:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Patrick Guyomard Try http://www.ccohs.ca/osha...rs/legisl/diligence.html Pad
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#3 Posted : 03 April 2006 12:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian Hagyard MancMan. Due Diligence is usually applied to Food Hygiene legislation, its basically the same as Reasonably Practicable in HASWA. Hope that helps. Brian.
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#4 Posted : 03 April 2006 16:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Impey We apply it to situations where outside organisations are providing activities or services for our children and young people. The due diligence checks make sure that the activity or service provider is adequately managing safety. The checks may include ensuring that the other organisation: is reputable, with staff that are properly qualified/trained and experienced, has workers that have been police-checked if appropriate, complies with the legal requirements, including suitable and sufficient risk assessments, is aware of and complies with any approved codes of practice and similar authorative documents, if necessary, is registered with and licensed by the relevant enforcing authorities, maintains at least the minimum required standards of health and safety, has an acceptable accident record with no outstanding serious incidents being investigated, has not been prosecuted for breach of health and safety law, or successfully sued for negligence, has no outstanding enforcement notices in connection with any activity provided, has adequate and appropriate insurance cover, has experience of providing for any relevant, specific special needs within the group, has any appropriate accreditation(s) by relevant organisation(s), and/or memberships of/affiliations with relevant trade associations/governing bodies.
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#5 Posted : 03 April 2006 16:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jerry Lucey My understanding is that due diligence must be proved where an injury has been sustained by someone to whom we provide a service e.g. might apply to a food service company where a consumer has contracted salmonella or to a bus service provider where a passenger is injured through a fault on a bus. It is also my understanding that due diligence is a more stringent requirement than reasonably practicable and as such may be more difficult to prove.
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#6 Posted : 03 April 2006 16:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp MancMan I am not sure there is an unequivocal definition of 'due dilligence'. I can only recall it being used within a health and safety context in the Transport at Work Act (1992?), where it requires railway operators to show due dilligence with regards to drugs and alcohol monitoring. In my opinion it is deliberately vague in order to allow those a degree of flexibility. I suppose it is akin to 'competent persons' where there is a degree of subjectivity in the term and is much debated on this forum. Regards Ray
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#7 Posted : 03 April 2006 16:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis And to put a different spin onto it Due Diligence in H&S also can exist when purchasing or selling a business or asset. It is about a thorough disclosure/investigation of the H&S related matters which can adversely, or contrarywise affect the value of the asset. Thus the existence of guardrails not conforming to legal requirements should be disclosed or discovered under due diligence inquiries. Bob
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#8 Posted : 03 April 2006 17:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alex Nasmyth Try looking at Tesco Supermarkets Ltd v. Nattrass ()1971), this is on the NEBOSH sylabus as a case law example of Due Diligance, I can forward you a summary if you like.
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#9 Posted : 03 April 2006 17:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Impey That's an interesting case. A Tesco store manager was classed as ‘another person’with regards to the Trade Descriptions Act 1968, and the company was found not guilty of overcharging a customer. But is it likely that a similar defence would be effective in a health and safety prosecution, given the concept of vicarious liability?
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#10 Posted : 03 April 2006 18:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By JWG Just thought I'd throw a link to the Tesco's case for ease: http://www.safetyphoto.c...co_Ltd_v_%20Nattrass.htm
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#11 Posted : 03 April 2006 19:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman The due diligence of Tescos is not really the right answer. DD comes from american practice to, as another respondant indicated, ensure that when a company is acquiring another, there are no outstanding liabilities owing to negligence of officers of the company to be acquired, which may affect eventual shareholder value. The purchaser must exercise Due Diligence in verifying that company to be purchased has fulfilled ALL legal obligations and has no outstanding or undisclosed liabilities. H&S is only one of the subjects to be covered in a DD audit. We've done a few of these audits and it is not fun. Purchaser wants to know everything. Purchasee does not want to disclose anything. Especially before contracts are signed. You may be allowed a physical inspection of the facilities but rarely allowed to talk to/question employees. Everything done under strict supervision. Documents numbered and counted, no photocopies allowed. Reports to be cross-referenced to applicable legislation (just "best-practice" or even ACOP is a no-no) Mind you, American participants don't seem to be limited on expenses. Best hotels and restaurants in town. Great meals, best wines. Yee haaw ! (how do you spell that ?) Merv
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#12 Posted : 03 April 2006 22:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Ye ha, with a southern drawl on the e. Ray
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#13 Posted : 03 April 2006 22:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Raymond, thankyou for your technical correction to my previous comment/question. Extremely useful. Last DD was in Lyon. Second night the Americans took the 20 strong team (lawyers, chemists, accountants, engineers, H&S (I was actually junior to the lead H&S lady)) to a tower restaurant and paid a bill of 100s of pounds. Then they went home. Next night the remaining English auditeurs decided to outdo the americans with an even higher bill for the reduced team at an even more expensive restaurant. They were a bit surprised when the waiter recognised me and asked if I wanted my usual Aberlore (sans glace) for aperitif. Its a FUN job. Innit. Ye Ha ! Merv
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#14 Posted : 03 April 2006 23:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Gough due diligence as in the electricity at work regs reg 28 ish :0) is a defence against an absolute duty within the regulations. If you can prove you have done all that is possible (not resonably practicable!!)and still an incident occurs you can use a due diligence defence. I dont think anyone as succesfully used it yet quite onerous !!!(cant we have a spell check on ere!!)
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#15 Posted : 04 April 2006 08:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J Bristow Hello I think also you will find some reference to DD in RIDDOR! Will let you look it up! Regards David B
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#16 Posted : 04 April 2006 09:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Merv I sympathise totally having been through a number myself. I am surprised by the laissez faire attitudes of some purchasers concerning H&S. Imagine buying Railtrack with its liabilities - Network Rail certainly felt the effects but it was the taxpayer who paid because of the new ownership arrangements! On this forum we have had a number of instances of practitioners trying to put right H&S problems in a recently acquired plant. From a divestment point of the Due Diligence still applies on directors to disclose matters but it is not pushed that hard. Strangely environmental DD has a higher profile. We do get so isolated in our H&S world that we forget these phrases are common across business and have a host of implications arising out of their fundamental definition. Bob
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#17 Posted : 04 April 2006 09:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer Merv Sure its not Aberlour? The 12 year old, is a nice tasting malt, however the 18 year old much better, better still try the 30 year old Glenlivet at £200 a bottle.
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#18 Posted : 04 April 2006 09:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Alexander I think we better not argue with naturalised Frenchmen, or semi at least, too much on food and drink. I prefer a simple Auchentoshen in any case although single malts of any description are never refused. Makes even raw oysters taste palatable. Which neatly ties up due diligence as you seek out reliably sourced live oysters to ensure the maximum flavour in the mouth and safeguards against Normandy stomach. Bob
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#19 Posted : 04 April 2006 13:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter There is a due diligence defence in COSHH Paul
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