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Posted By Cathy Ricketts
Have recently noted a vacancy which is available for young people to "learn a trade working alongside experienced tradesmen" in a situation where the young person is living on site (in one of the rooms in the construction being refurbished). The young person has to be "self employed". My own feeling is that this vacancy should only be aimed at the over 18's as I have real concerns for 16 to 18 age group.
I probably have in my own mind gone through most of the problems with this - however construction is not my field and I wondered what normal practice is and if I am being "over protective" in my responses - really looking for a bit of support/comment to back up my arguments which are around:
Supervision
Insurance
What are they going to learn - bad practice etc
Health and Safety
Fire - sleeping arrangements
etc the list goes on
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Hi Cathy
If this isn't a "wind-up" then the advert should be the subject an HSE "training on the job" visit!
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Cathy Ricketts
This isnt a wind up - and it isnt subject to a visit because there is no "approved trainer" involved as it is not an apprenticeship - it is firstly advertised through the JC - I have suspended it from being advertised through us at present
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Posted By Bob Youel
Theres tons of law re young people via education and many other areas/law [Fire etc] as well as civil law and I would be supprised if any decent client would condone people sleeping in their property
whilst I am not saying block everything I am saying consult other than H&S law and I would tell your local HSE / Local Authority [EHO's & education people ] re the advert
I have recently stopped youngsters [<12 years old!] from digging up live 11kv [yes live 11kv] cables whilst putting up fences for a school and another case re working on household waste wagons [yes bin wagons in the public street]- in both cases the 'employer'had not seen any problems in the first instance
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Posted By Frank Hallett
Cathy, my observation re the "HSE training on the job" visit was aimed at the HSEs approach to training HSE Inspectors - especially with regard to construction activities; not whether an "approved trainer" of any sort was involved.
My advice to a paying client would be to stay well clear of this advertiser and any job with which they may be associated until all concerns have been resolved.
Frank Hallett
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Posted By Cathy Ricketts
At least I am beginning to feel reassured that my paternal/health and safety instincts have not gone into overdrive
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Posted By Peter Taylor14
I would contact your local learning and skills council, this situation sounds very scary, will all people that come into contact be CRB checked, sleeping in accomodation that is not completed so many questions, so few answers???
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