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#1 Posted : 18 April 2006 09:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Fleming Does anyone know what the minimum qualification is to become a cook and where I can check this out at? I know that food training should be ‘commensurate’ with the job. Does this apply to cooks and chefs?
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#2 Posted : 18 April 2006 09:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter James I think you have the wrong forum for your query; try asking at your local tech about City and Guilds courses. Paul
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#3 Posted : 18 April 2006 10:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer Paul, knowing James as I do, I do believe he would be looking for information relating to the competencies for Cooks, in particular with regards to Food Safety & HACCP. Your comments are not geared to encouraging fellow practitioners to ask for assistance (whether it has a bearing on H&S or not) James, think the info you require can be found on CIEH website (www.cieh.org) Regards Alex
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#4 Posted : 18 April 2006 10:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Alex I answered the question and pointed James at a source of further information; how can that be unhelpful? Paul
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#5 Posted : 18 April 2006 12:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bill Elliott James - if you are referring to craft qualifications then visit the City & Guilds web page, C&G 706/1 is the basic cookery qualification with other quals for more advanced and specialisms. For food hygiene quals, The Industry Guide to Good Hygiene Practice: Catering indicates in Part 3 three stages of supervision & Instruction and/or training based on the actual job of individuals and linked to risk. The above guide is published by Chadwick House Group (the publishing arm of CIEH)and is current but new guidance is in the offing to comply with the new (England) Food Hygiene Regs.
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#6 Posted : 18 April 2006 12:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer Apologies to Paul if I have caused offence in any way, rest assured this was not intention. I agree that James should have been clearer as to his intentions Bill's advice is sound, however does not apply to us up in Scotland. Having previously communicated with James in the past, he like myself is a Scotsman too. If there is similar legislation for us Scots I too would like to know.
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#7 Posted : 18 April 2006 12:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Oh boy, something else different in Scotland? This is a new one on me; I am starting preparing a food safety policy and would appreciate any pointers as to differences in the Scottish law and guidance. We have two Residential Homes in Scotland, both of which have in-house catering operations, and I would be very keen to ensure that whatever I produce is applicable to them as well as to the English kitchens, if this is possible. In particular if anybody has a policy for a Scottish or UK wide operation that I could have a look at I would be eternally grateful - john.knight@suerydercare.org, John
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#8 Posted : 18 April 2006 12:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer http://www.food.gov.uk/foodindustry/hygiene/ Offers some info
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#9 Posted : 18 April 2006 19:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jan Moore Basic Food Hygiene Certificate with Intermediate as desirable. Question Environmental Health on this. This is the information I was given recently when I asked the question when a friend of mine wanted to provide bar food in his pub!! Kind regards Jan
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#10 Posted : 18 April 2006 21:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Fleming THANKS very much for all the information here. Food safety is not my forte but I am working on it. Alex, thanks for the help here and too all of you. John, I am working on our food safety policy at the moment and will gladly share it with you once it is finished, it is relevant for all our areas in Scotland. However, the question was not really in relation to the food policy. I really needed to know what would be the minimum qualification a cook would have to satisfy they EH they were qualified as a cook. We have been looking at training and found that where the EH might advise a training package for staff dealing with food in care homes, it might be more than what is needed. The legislation mentions training that is ‘commensurate’ with the work. If all we are doing is providing snacks etc then it might be that we need only provide a basic training package. Saving money for other training or ensuring those who really need the food safety training get a great package. However, it got me thinking is this the same with cooks? I am sure there are professional qualifications that cooks could attain. But it was just a question that I thought I would ask. I don’t know if this makes it clearer… I now know where to get the answer.
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