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#1 Posted : 18 April 2006 11:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Walker I have been instructed to come up with a system to allow our maintenance to work alone on rail mounted over head cranes cranes. It has been an unwritten rule that maintenence always work in pairs whilst on cranes throughout the company but the argument is that it ties up resources. I've already pointed out the need for a rescue plan if suspended, Reg 14 of the Electricity at work regs which states 2 persons if working on live equipment and Ive studied the Lone worker guidance which as usual relies on Risk Assessment (already done shows high risk) Can anybody help with other regulations or guidance to back up my argument? Andy
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#2 Posted : 18 April 2006 12:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sean Fraser Andy, I think you are right in what you say and you don't need any regulations to quote other than the ones you mentioned. What is the risk? If high, what controls are available? You are absolutely right about the rescue plan (see this link that someone else recently posted here on the forum - http://www.suspensiontrauma.info/) and that alone should be sufficient to convince them! To get around the argument of tying up resources, what can the second person be doing that will make the job quicker for both? The assumption should not be that he/she is doing nothing and that should not be the case - otherwise they are being wasted. With a valid task assigned to them, they contribute not just to safety but the rapid and successful completion of the work involved.
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#3 Posted : 18 April 2006 12:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andy Walker Thanks for the vote of confidence Sean however head and brick wall seem to spring to mind!! Andy
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#4 Posted : 01 May 2006 21:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Anyone wearing a harness should not be permitted to work alone. Suspension trauma can take effect in less than 10 mins. Unconscious lone casualtys cannot self rescue. Phil www.trauma-resus.com
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#5 Posted : 02 May 2006 12:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jerry Lucey Hi Andy, Lone working is not acceptable where a person is wearing fall arrest for the reasons given in the previous post. I would recommed though that you examine alternatives to fall arrest if the lone working option is to be persued. Perhaps air bags might be an alternative which could be examined. The important thing is to start with a risk assessment where you assess the risk and come up with control measures. In the scenario you describe current work practice may need to be changed i.e. if lone working is to be considered, fall arrest is not acceptable. If an option such as air bags are to be looked at, you might look at the probability of someone becoming injured as they fell from the gantry crane. How quickly would they require First Aid/ Medical attention. You might need to look at a 'man-down' device in conjunction to other measures. The best approach may be to present the person requesting this system with your risk assessment stressing that the use of fall arrest is not acceptable in a lone working situation. You could discuss the feasibility of other measures e.g. air bags and a safe system could be produced for the acceptable measures.
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#6 Posted : 02 May 2006 12:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Also, " dial 999 in the event of an emergency " is not an acceptable control measure. An unconscious casualty suffering from suspension trauma can die in under 10 mins. The first fire appliance on scene will only have a height safety pack, and will be unable to perform a rescue. Their relavent line rescue team will be some time away. Even when they land they will have little knowledge of suspension trauma and the correct treatment protocol, the same goes for Paramedics. They will still insist on laying an unconscious casualty flat to reperfuse the brain etc I know all of the above to be true, due to research carried out over the past 4 years. I have also been training Firefighters, Paramedics, and A & E Doctors in the correct rescue procedures and treatment of suspension trauma.
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#7 Posted : 02 May 2006 13:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By steve e ashton Not exactly the same, but this may help your case in arguing for a groundsman? http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2005/e05131.htm Also, HSG19 published in 1982 comments: "Some of the more common dangers associated with the use of WPs are: (h) persons becoming stranded on the platform in a raised position, perhaps due to power or control circuit failure" Plus, as others have stated: Work at height regs - requirements to make provision for emergency rescue.... Hope this is helpful... Steve
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#8 Posted : 02 May 2006 13:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Longhurst An extremely useful site mentioned in the forum last week is www.trauma-resus.com This site provides a clear explanation of the very real dangers consequent as a result of suspension falls. Indeed, I would suggest that if your employers saw this they would not consider for a moment allowing someone to work alone. Regards Andrew
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#9 Posted : 02 May 2006 14:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt Andy Strategy one. You could always argue that since reviewing the legislation it has become clear that two pople might not be enough with the risk of suspension trauma, rescue plans, HSE activity on work at height, monitoring and communications etc and three people would be safer. Watch as they squirm and haggle you back to two. Strategy two. Why are they going up? To replace nylon bushings every 3 months when they could fit steel ones that last a year etc. So ask them to research ways that they can minimise maintenance schedule downtime to keep two guys on the job because your assessment says two men. Hope that helps Jeff
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#10 Posted : 11 May 2006 10:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By David B Hi Andy A bit late in the day, but I may throw a spanner in the works. I am not sure of the actual work that is being carried out, however, if there is no need for stretching etc. from the platform and suitable railed I can see no danger of falling off and hence no need for harness or groundsman. As long as the work does not pose particular hazards (live working etc.) and there is no prospect of falling, I think you can justify a lone working operation. Regards David
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#11 Posted : 11 May 2006 15:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson Ask the person / manager blocking the two man operation to be the guinea pig in any lone worker rescue plan - they may wish to change their viewpoint once suspended for a while, let the blood flow away from their brain to clear their head - don't send anyone to do what you would not do yourself !!
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#12 Posted : 11 May 2006 21:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bramall Hi Andy I fully agree with Glynne, I would not ask anyone to do anything I wouldn't do myself - it's always wise to tread carefully. If you need a guinea pig, however, I am prepared to put my money where my mouth is (regarding my last response). Working at height really is no more hazardous than driving or walking to work, walking to the canteen, drinking hot coffee etc. etc. etc........... Why not check out the actual work activity, decide if the working at height issue presents any extra hazards than working at ground level, have a go yourself or if you want me to do it - OK, then go for it. If it is suitable for lone working so be it, if not, insist on a groundsman. Regards David B
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