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#1 Posted : 18 April 2006 18:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob Yuill Although we do not generally specify these for DSE users, a few employees have "kneeling chairs", mainly supplied in past years. I've looked at various suppliers and whilst some seem more suitable for prolonged office use, others appear to be more "domestic" in construction. Does anyone have experience in specifing these chairs or have any comment regarding their suitability for office / DSE use? My concern is that unless correctly specified, in time they could cause poor posture or exacerbate a pre-existing medical condition. Rgds Rob
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#2 Posted : 18 April 2006 19:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Hi Rob Far from exacerbating poor posture and associated back fatigue and other complaints; my very personal experience is that the "kneeling chair" does me far more good than the conventional chair - and yes I do have a lower back problem that sitting really does aggravate. As with any other chair, it must be selected for likely use; but unlike the conventional chair it must be better matched to the specific user as the dimensions cannot normally be varied across such a wide range as the conventional chair. If you do find a good supplier, please let me know as mine will need replacing in the near future. Frank Hallett
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#3 Posted : 19 April 2006 13:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter It is my understanding that such 'kneeling chairs' do not comply with mandatory requirements as stipulated in Schedule 1 of the DSE Regs.
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#4 Posted : 19 April 2006 14:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Hi Ron Schedule 1 doesn't discuss seating, chairs or supports for a whole range of different needs when working with DSE. DSE Schedule 1 is not prescriptive in that it does not exclude any other form of support for working at a DSE Workstation; what it does is to identify those criteria that must be considered when providing a "conventional" chair for what can only be described as what the HSE saw as the "mainstream" user. In exactly the same way as you cannot prescribe that all persons will always adopt the ideal, stylised "begging dog" position; there are a wide range of physical reasons why a person may not be able to. Frank Hallett
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#5 Posted : 19 April 2006 15:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Carrier Rob I have purchased a few of these over the last few months and basically have found that the better ones are produced by HAG. Incidentally one our users found it more beneficial to have a "normal" chair and a kneeling chair allowing him to alternate usage, works for him and his back. regards
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#6 Posted : 20 April 2006 09:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cathy Ricketts We have used several of these - in some cases the employee went back to a conventional chair as they found that long periods sat in this position was not supportive enough. However I have other employees who are in DSE user posts who say they are the most comfortable chairs they have ever had and that all their back pains have disappeared since using them. It is important to get one which is height adjustable - Posturite, Osmond Group and a local company in Exeter called Back World all supply good quality kneeling chairs The HAG ones are good because they can also come with a 5 star base. Have you thought about asking you supplier to allow you to have one a "try" basis
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#7 Posted : 20 April 2006 12:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter Frank, I've just read thru' Reg.3 and associated guidance, which discusses extent of application of the Schedule "minimum requirements for workstations". I stand (or should that be sit?) corrected. Thankyou.
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#8 Posted : 21 April 2006 12:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alison Melrose Kneeling chairs are not for everyone as those with a history of poor circulation in the legs, problems with balance or knee problems will probably find sitting extremely uncomfortable (even after short periods). Also, it IS possible to slouch in one of these chairs (similarly you can slouch on a "fit" ball as well if you really want to!). If getting one, I'd suggest only using it for short periods rather than as the main chair for the workstation. Instead I'd speak to chair companies (that sell conventional chairs) and try and get them to allow you to trial a couple if possible. There will no doubt be a chair out there that is comfortable, provides supports and meets the criteria laid out in the Regulations. I guess it's like buying a new car...many folk take a car for a test drive before they buy (yes there are some who impulse buy before I get flamed!)
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#9 Posted : 21 April 2006 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett No worries Ron - I didn't intend to make you personally look bad; it's just that this [along with the MH Regs Appendices] is presented in a way that it actively encourages this type of very common misinterpretation. It takes a big person to publicly admit a misunderstanding and I salute you for that. Frank Hallett
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#10 Posted : 21 April 2006 16:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alex Ryding http://www.stokke.com/pr...riable&la=EN&na=UK&div=M Stokke make some of the most fantastic chairs around, if you have a large budget.
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#11 Posted : 21 April 2006 16:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank Hallett Alex - I've never knowingly sat on a large budget before now! Frank Hallett
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#12 Posted : 21 April 2006 19:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob Yuill Thanks for all the comments, and the "humour", it's all been very useful. Ta! Rob
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