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Employment law question (Not H&S - can a lawyer advise?)
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Posted By Diane Thomason
This is a question about employment law - I thought I'd start here as I know some members are qualified in law.
Scenario - person is on fixed term contract funded externally. End of contract is coming up in about 3 months, and manager will not answer yes or no when asked whether the contract will be renewed.
Manager suggests contract won't be renewed because funding uncertain blah blah. Because of the uncertainty, employee is looking for other jobs and in fact has been offered one, but would prefer to stay in current job if contract can be renewed.
Meanwhile, other employees funded on the same project have been told their contract WILL be renewed. A person senior to the manager says that the decision to renew individual contracts rests with the manager. The funding body apparantly says the funding will definitely be continued. Manager also speaks of making one of the posts a more senior one i.e. higher paid (the employee in question would not be able to apply though, because they don't have the particular qualification needed.)
Funding therefore doesn't seem to be a problem so employee suspects strongly that the manager just wants them out.
No performance issues etc have been raised. The manager seems to be deliberately marginalising this person: arranging key meetings that the person should be involved in (they are a team leader) and not telling them about it, so they miss the meeting (but their team members are invited!); cancelling one-to-one supervision meetings; leaving the employee to sort out difficult issues on the project without support; generally withholding information and "not being available" for discussion.
The manager seems to have "favourites" too - and seems to be leaving this employee out of the clique, making them feel like they have been sent to Coventry.
It is my understanding that the ending of a fixed contract is technically a dismissal and therefore must be fair and lawful. This employee has been given strong hints that their contract won't be renewed but is not been told whether it will or will not be. The person can't hold on much longer waiting to find out (has kids and mortgage.)
My suspicion is that the manager is hoping that the employee will just leave, as the manager can't find grounds for not renewing the contract. The person is on the brink of leaving but would prefer to stay (despite the awful treatment by the manager who is making their like a misery.)
If the person leaves, might there be a case for constructive dismissal?
Opinions sought from legally qualified people please, or TU people with experience of this. BTW the person is not in a TU (not a unionised workplace.)
Thanks in advance
Diane
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Posted By Alexander Falconer
Diane
Whilst not an employment law specialist, this case is very similar to a scenario I found myself in a few years back. Originally employed on 2 year contract, not retained, no issues raised, performance regularly exceeded expectations, etc, etc. Wanted to stay (5 mins from house), but ended up obtaining employment elsewhere - 35 miles away (offer received day before contract ended). Result - tribunal case in my favour with out of court settlement (cannot divulge any other info for confidentiality reasons)
In my own experience, along with few hints & bits of EL knowledge picked up over the years, unless things get sorted pretty quickly and amicably, you may well (without a doubt) have a case for constructive dismissal hanging over you - something no company wants (especially if they state they are a fair one)
My suggestion to you is to urgently contact your HR department for further guidance, failing this contact the company solicitor who will act in the interests of the company.
From what you say, sounds like the Manager sees the employee as a potential threat to his own position in some way.
Wouldn't surprise me if the employee themself has started to compile a diary of some kind citing all the "incidents", believe me this is admissible evidence and a tribunal may well find this in the employees favour.
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Posted By Diane Thomason
Alexander,
Thanks for this.
This isn't actually my company involved. I'm interested in the employee's rights. This person is thinking of taking advice but it needs to happen quickly.
I don't think the employee has been keeping a diary of incidents and conversations etc. but could certainly record summaries of a lot of the recent ones. They feel that "their word against the employer's" would not be accepted as evidence so it is heartening to know that you consider it would be admissable.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Confused!
If you are on a fixed term contract, how can you claim unfair dismissal at the end of the fixed term? as the contract has ended or am I missing something here.
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Posted By James Perry
Diane,
It is my understanding (as an HR Manager) that a fixed term contract is exactly that. The contract of employment ceases on the last day (as stated in the contract).
Your "friend" may, however, have cause for constructive dismissal with the way that he/she is being treated. If this can be proven.
In this situation (on either side) I would certainly consult ACAS for impartial advice.
www.acas.org.uk or 08457 474747
Regards
Jim
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Posted By Alexander Falconer
Diane, whatever way they go, make sure they keep copies of e.mails, memo's, keep summaries within a diary (solicitors love to quote dates & times, etc of incidents) - the onus would be on the company & manager to prove these events did not occur.
First and foremost get legal advice quickly, as there is a 3 month time limit (from the time of departure) - but it is more than likely that nothing will commence until the employee is dismissed/left.
Make sure the employee between now and dismissal/leaving date build up as much info as they can to help construct a true and accurate picture of the scenario - whatever, DO NOT under any circumstances make the said manager aware of what the employee is doing.
THe said manager probably thinks the employee is clueless in terms of employment law.
If you need further guidance, please drop me an e.mail on the above address - I do have some HR/EL experience, what I dont know, I probably could point you in the right direction for further assistance.
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Posted By James Perry
To add:
The issue of external funding should also be addressed.
Is the person actually an employee of the company?
Does the funding directly pay their salary or is the company concerned recompensed by the external funding?
This will make a difference.
Again, consult ACAS on this.
Regards
Jim
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Posted By Alexander Falconer
Dave
You are right in some aspects, however where Diane is coming from is there are a number of employees all on same type of contracts, all bar one are to be offered additional or permanent contract - why single one out, just because they are not in the clique?
This is discrimination in a way, can just see it four guys get new/extended contracts one female dismissed........?
The lawyers would love this one,
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Posted By Diane Thomason
Thanks all,
Jim - the person is an employee, I understand that the ext funding reimburses the salary costs.
Dave - from my own TU:
"In law, the expiry of a fixed-term contract is a dismissal. The non-renewal of a fixed-term contract is a 'normal' dismissal, not a redundancy, if an employer cannot satisfy redundancy criteria."
As a dismissal, it can be fair or unfair.
You can see my point in any case tho' - persons A and B are being told yes they can stay on, person C being told weeeelll, not sure if we can keep you, not sure about the money being available, oh by the way we might be recruiting someone new on a higher grade! this sure doesn't sound fair to me. In no way is this person redundant if the employers are thinking of indirectly replacing them.
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Posted By Diane Thomason
Alexander
Actually it is not a case of men being kept on and a woman dismissed. Neither is the manager necessarily male!!!
There is no feeling that there's any sex, race, disability etc discrimination going on. The reason for this manager's behaviour is a bit of a mystery. No reason why they should feel threatened by this employee either.
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Posted By Diane Thomason
oops, didn't paste all of the bit about expiry of fixed term contract for Dave:
"In law, the expiry of a fixed-term contract is a dismissal. The non-renewal of a fixed-term contract is a 'normal' dismissal, not a redundancy, if an employer cannot satisfy redundancy criteria.
This will not necessarily mean it is an 'unfair dismissal'. However, such a 'normal' dismissal will be fair only if the employer can demonstrate that it was made because of the capability of the employee, the conduct of the employee or 'some other substantial reason'.
It is not necessarily the case, but in practice it is quite likely that such a dismissal will be unfair. Unless proper dismissal procedures have been followed the employer will probably be unable to demonstrate that it was due to capability or conduct. It is also likely to be difficult to demonstrate that there was 'some other substantial reason' for the dismissal. "
Note the 3 allowable grounds for fair dismissal in paragraph 2.
Hey, do you think we can all claim CPD points for learning about employment law??
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Diane,
already claimed em!
Learn something new every day.
So in essence I can employ someone on a fixed term for 2 years and 'dismiss' them and then take on someone else for a 'fixed term' and be taken to an IT for UD? Seems a bit harsh.
I take the point about treating everyone the same and rightly so!
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Posted By Alexander Falconer
Diane, I only referred to the male/female scenario as an example
Employment law is a specialised field, the recent comments posted barely scratch the surface.
The main legislation on unfair dismissal can be found on s94 of the Employment rights act 1996 "an employee has the right not to be unfairly dismissed by his employer"
Definition of dismissal - in this case is when a fixed term contract expires and is not renewed.
This point is perhaps not so clear, if a specific project deems a time period, say 3 years, then the employer can recruit the person(s) required to complete the project in the agreed time span.
In the case of the employees reaching the end of the time span, the proiject copmpleted, job well done, thank you to person(s), etc, etc
If the task is not completed the employee can claim unfair dismissal if the contract is not renewed.
Normally employers protect themselves through waiver clauses in the contract.
Croners guide to managing fair dismissal provides a lot of useful guidelines
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Posted By Diane Thomason
Alexander - Thanks for the additional info.
In this case the "job" is definitely not finished - it's ongoing work, which is being funded for a further period by the external body. So the work is still there to be done.
Sorry to be mysterious about the details - need to be a bit careful as this is an open forum.
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Posted By Hazel Harvey
Diane,
IOSH recently expanded its legal helpline provision to cover employment law. If you want to give DWF a call they should be able to give you some advice.Their number is in 'about membership'
Hazel Harvey
Director of Professional Affairs
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Posted By Diane Thomason
Dear all,
Update. The employee (I'll use the gender-neutral alias Mo!) went to CAB. CAB said forget it, not got a leg to stand on, because the contract has one of those clauses that says the contract can be terminated by a month's notice on either side. I think the CAB person was a general adviser not a legal bod.
Mo had another meeting with Nasty Manager (NM) who again would not give a yes/no answer regarding renewal, just the same mutterings about funding cutbacks.
Dis anyone see The Apprentice last night? I think the Alan Sugar approach is needed. Someone was waffling when he wanted a yes/no answer and he said "LOOK! Imagine we're doing texting! You're texting me! Did you read the rules - yes or no? ANSWER ME YES OR NO!"
Mo is going to call the Employment Rights Helpline and possibly try to find the local Law Centre.
Does anyone know whether the "the contract can be terminated by a month's notice on either side" clause does exactly what it says on the tin?
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Posted By Alexander Falconer
Diane, unfortunately, fixed term contracts can be terminated by a month's notice on either side.
Fortunately in Mo's case, the onus is to challenge this, and prove the dismissal was not fair.
Under s98 of Employment rights Act 1996, the Employer has to show the main reason for dismissal and that it was one of the 5 fair reasons.
1) the capability or the qualifications of the employee for performing work of the kind which he or she was employed to do
2) the employees conduct
3) the employee was redundant
4) continued employment would have meant the employee, or the employer would be breaking the law
5) there was some other substantial reason of a kind as such to justify the dismissal of the employee in that position
Please also bear in mind there are two hurdles to be crossed in unfair dismissal claims: there must be a fair reason for the dismissal, and the dismissal must have been justified - in other words the employer must have followed a reasonable procedure before deciding on dismissal.
It is very often the second aspect that causes many employers problems, normally, it would not be beyond the ability of any manager to show that the reason for dismissal fell into one of the 5 categories listed. It is worth noting that employment tribunals often look beyond the stated reason for dismissal if the evidence suggests the employer had an ulterior motive.
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Posted By gham
Diane
Have you seen this site http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/fixed/index.htm
look at The Fixed-term Employees (Prevention of Less Favourable Treatment) Regulations 2002 in particular Part 2,3(b)
If you contact ACAS you must be very very clear about the circumstances, it not easy to comment further unless the full contract details are known but i hope this helps
Regards
G'
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