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Posted By Son of SkyWalker
I have been asked an interesting question.
Does it affect the quality of drinking water in a water cooler bottle, currently on a cooling/heating unit, if the power is switched off when the work area is empty (i.e. staff have finished for the day) and then switched on prior to staff arriving the next day or in the case of a Friday coming in on a Monday?
Is there potential for bacterial growth as temperature is not being maintained at a constant level but will heat up from a chilled temperature?
In the case of sealed bottles I do not think there would be any hassle as contamination would not have entered, but in the case of bottles on the cooler/heater units the bottle may have been contaminated by low levels of bacteria.
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Posted By anon1234
Assuming the bottles are been emptied fairly quickly i.e. they are used regularly, and the units are kept clean, then I suspect the issue is not significant unless contamination occurs from other sources.
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Posted By Son of SkyWalker
Thsnks Anon
What if they are not being cleaned? Have anyone ever seen someone clean a water cooler? I know I haven't. People complain at having to put on a new bottle and don't think about cleaning the cooler. I was disgusted at the state of one I was putting a new bottle on recently and cleaned it up but was this an unusual occurrence?!?
This then brings us onto a safe system of cleaning which would have to in place prior to even thinking about turning the power supply on or off! Do the suppliers of these systems provide us with cleaning advice? To my knowledge no!
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Posted By Jim Walker
In my distant past I used to do biological analysis of potable water.
Knowing what I know, I never touch any water that doesn't come out of the tap.
Bottled water is the biggest con trick ever pulled, and only a gullible, unscientifically educated society with more money that sense would fall for it. We have the best and cheapest water supply in the world and we ignore it.
Feel much better for that rant.
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Posted By Liam Mc Conalogue
Hey Jim,
I guess it all has to do with your water supply- I think I'll stick with the bottled stuff coz the H2O in my neck of the woods is pretty cloudy and the pressure is up and down like a fiddlers elbow.
Although on a Friday night I would say a bottle of something other than water may be in order!!!
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Posted By Son of SkyWalker
Thanks Jim
I may agree with your sentiments and have a scientific background myself but!!!
when not in my home I have to use the drinking water supplied especially if tap water is "NOT drinking water".
Any advice re my original question would be welcomed however.
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Posted By Descarte
In a previously position it was noted that in one of our water bottles satr on top of the water cooler, as it was in direct sunlight for most of the day had started to grow a film of algae within it on the side of the plastic. If these bottles are standing for long periods of time at room temperature than I presume they could lead to a build up of bacteria or other such organisms, though these will only be introduced if the appliance is not regularly cleaned.
Knowing the acceptable limits for amounts of bacteria allowed within mains drinking water and that most mains water pipes are many many years old and develope a film of bacteria and growths all along it for many if not hundreds of miles and that these films and filaments can sometimes break off, I would still go with the bottled water.
Is bottled water such as the large industrial sized bottles for drinking water UV irradiated before packaged?
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
I never touch the stuff.
You can get units fitted and plumbed that filter and cool tap water, and they are cheaper to operate over even a short period of time. And a lot cleaner.
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Posted By Paul Devlin
The company that supplies them should carry out the cleaning and maintenance.
Our company has now switched from the bottle type dispenser to one that "taps" into the cold water supply which means its cooled and filtered before drinking but doesnt sit for day/weeks on end in a large bottle.
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Posted By John Webster
To answer the original question, no it does not make a ha'pennyworth of difference if you turn the power off. The bottle stays at room temperature regardless. It is only the bit of pipe going to the tap which passes through the chiller (or heater) unit.
Digressing to the use or otherwise of bottled water, wherever possible a unit connected directly to mains water is preferable to one with a bottle. They have filters, so the water quality ends up the same, they eliminate the manual handling problems associated with the bottle, and the extra cost of installation can be recovered very quickly when you look at what you are paying for bottled water.
By the way, our water dispensers are cleaned and sanitised regularly. We clean around the tap etc with alcohol wipes, and the supplier replaces the tubing every 3 months.
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Posted By Alan Haynes
In a previous life, - the office I worked in had its water coolers regularly cleaned etc. However, dispite of all this - on at least one occasion, testing showed low levels of Legionella bacteria, and they were taken out of use for further cleaning.
The question is - how many of you have such tests done?
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Posted By Son of SkyWalker
John
Thanks for bringing this back to my original question.
I have a concern that is part of the potential problem but would exist even if the power was being turned off. Is there a cleaning regime to ensure that the water cooler unit (with the spike that goes into the bottle) is kept free of potential bacterial contamination? If there is not a safe system of work can this could be aggravated by the turning on and off of power.
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Posted By Son of SkyWalker
Alan
Do you know if there is any documentation re legionella in water cooler bottles that I could have a look at?
Thanks
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Posted By Paul Devlin
Surely the problem of legionella is at it worst when water is released in the form of a "spray" such as from a shower head where its more likely to be inhaled rather than ingested?
I would imagine the risk is negligable from a bottled type water cooler?
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Posted By Son of SkyWalker
Paul
You would think so.
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Posted By John Webster
Follow the cleaning regime as specified by the manufacturer/supplier, and change your water bottle as recommended, even if it is not empty.
Some contaminants can be introduced from dirty fingers at the tap, but this is no worse than for any tap supplying drinking water.
There is absolutely no need to worry about legionella. Certain conditions are needed for legionella to thrive and spread, and they just don't exist in a half reasonably maintained water dispenser.
As noted before, your bottle is always going to be at room temperature, even with the chiller switched on. The bottled water will:
not normally have a viable legionella population to start with
not have nutrients to allow them to multiply quickly
get changed if you see any algal growth or other deposits
get changed after a few days or a week anyway.
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Posted By Neicey
I'm not sure I trust the water in bottles - you can never guarantee where it was bottled. I've got this amazing water treatment system I add to my tap - tastes good and takes out most known bugs/viruses and stuff. Totally worth the investment.
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