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Posted By Sally C
Hi,
This a question for those of you who provide training; be it with in the organisation you work or as part of your consultancy services.
Where you are providing training, e.g. Fork truck, safety passports etc & there are recognised bodies that accredit such training (RTITB etc) is it a requirement to have had your training methods approved by such a body prior to being able to offer the training? Or is it purely a means of delivering the syllabus provided by such a body & then being able provide a trainee with certification? (I hope that makes sense.)
I ask as an addition to a question I posed some time ago regarding lengths of time for teaching certain disciplines, we have up to now been using various external training companies for H&S training but a colleague has expressed a desire to move to a H&S consultant who offers an everything in one place service. I have my concerns but I am looking to allay them so I am wondering if anyone can shed some light.
Thanks
Sally
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Posted By RP
Organisations such as, City and Guilds, CITB HCTA, RTITB, ect, allow training centres or individuals to apply to become an assessment centre by registering with them. In registering the training centre/trainer/assessor is entering into contract to abide by their rules in the delivery of training and assessment. This is checked by regular external verification/moderation by the awarding body.
Any training sylabus may be divorced from an actual assessment carried out, but most require theat the trainer is competent to train to a set criteria or standard. It is often the case that they must hold appropriate trainer and assessor qualifications.
There are awarding bodies which will allow training centres or individuals to register a specific training course with them for certification purposes. For this there must be some kind of examination that delegates undertake to demonstrate a 'learning outcome'.
The 'teaching' time will vary according to the set outcomes of the training. Any assessment is open ended, as candidates will vary when achieving a certain performance criteria (how long does it take to pass a driving test for example).
Putting all eggs in one basket is one way of ensuring that the standards of training are maintained, and everyone gets the same story. Whatever the training and its intended outcomes, it must be agreed by the employer/customer to ensure that all points are covered. Assessement on the other hand is predetermined by the Awarding Body and industry standards.
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Posted By Chris Packham
Question:- Health and safety is an extremely broad field. Can one consultant be an expert and provide training in all aspects?
Whilst this may appear superficially to be an attractive approach, whether it will ensure that all the different disciplines and aspects are properly dealt with is, in my opinion, doubtful. Even the HSE arranges for specialist is specific disciplines to provide training in their particular speciality.
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Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke
Hi
And sometimes it is the personality of the trainer that gets the message across, even though the content may be the same. The way the trainer learns also has an impact on how he/or she may deliver the course.
If you are evaluating one training centre then perhaps they should let you sit on a few courses for free to see if they would fit well with your employees?
Regards
Linda
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Posted By Gary IMD(UK)
Hi all,
Question: Does it need to be acredited? I know of many 'acredited centres' that run through the syllabus, covering hours of irrelevant information to the delegates. They do this 'because it is in the syllabus'! Fork lift truck training for an insurance office employee springs to mind!
To add to some of the valid replys above I would urge anyone to not take the appointment of the trainer lightly. H & S training has a reputation for sending people to sleep! With a vibrant, knowledgeable, experienced trainer suddenly the topic becomes interesting... and we learn more!
Two golden rules as a trainer... both equally important. 1) Have the knowledge of the subject. 2) Have the ability to impart that knowledge. (This is where most trainers let themselves down, in my opinion).
Feel free to contact me, should you wish to speak more in depth about this.
Take care!
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Posted By Pete Stewart
Hi All,
I deliver both IOSH & bespoke courses.
To deliver IOSH courses you require a certain standard of knowledge and experience and are visited by assessors when delivering. They also have a QC procedure in place to ensure consistency of marking on all papers.
For bespoke courses, I work with the company to ensure that the material being delivered is relevant to their needs and appropriate to the target audience.
Like anything else, you need to do the research to ensure you are getting what YOU want at a fair price, not what the trainer thinks you need.
Pete
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
A vital aspect you haven't raised, Sally, concerns how cost-effective the learning is, measured over time.
An excellent trainer can do a very good job - but your choice to commission the training may be open to doubt, to the extent that you fail to establish and to evaluate appropriate and effective transfer of learning processes (neither of which you don't mention).
The single most neglected aspect of all training and development is long-term validation of its effectiveness. In my experience, transfer of learning is commonly neglected in the third-party validation you refer to, because it is difficult and the parties who accredit are either unwilling or unable, or both, to evaluate appropriate methods of transfer of learning.
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Fair points there, Keiran.
Learning objectives should be to gain exerience or understanding that is taken away from the session and used in the normal work place, not just a text book read or parrot fashion recital of facts.
We always include a feedback form for training done, and in some circumstances, ask for a Q&A paper to be completed for courses.
The training co-ordinator then follows up onto the shop floor to make sure that value has been attained from the cost of training.
Bosses always want to know if changes in methods or practice have improved safety, production or lowered accident rates - things they can see and report on.
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