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#1 Posted : 18 May 2006 18:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By PETER GANNAWAY
Has anyone submitted the HSE Standards Questionnaire to an Ethics committee for clearance prior to distribution? If so what was the result? I can find no reference to the HSE already obtaining clearance for the document. There is a school of thought that goes the act of filling the form may itself persuade an individual that they could have work related stress, and therefore the form was a significant contributory factor. Please discuss.

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#2 Posted : 18 May 2006 19:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
This appears to be the sort of suggestion that leads many to wonder about the sanity of the Safety & Health profession.

It really makes no sense, Peter, to assert that filling in a form may 'persuade' anyone they have stress. If anyone is so ill that they think like that, filling in a form makes little difference to their state of ill-health.

What specific 'school of thought' are you citing? What is the published reference?

(f you are actually referring to 'gosssip' or 'hearsay', it's hardly the business of an 'Ethics' Committee.
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#3 Posted : 19 May 2006 08:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt
Peter

I work in local government and have not had any experience of this being necessary but I am relatively new so my opinion doesn't have much real weight. I comment because local gov seems to be very twitchy about not offending anyone, anyplace , anywhere (that's where the similarity with Martini ends).

IMHO more good than bad will come from carrying out a stress audit. Probably (Carlsberg don't do stress audits but......)

Kind regards

Jeff
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#4 Posted : 19 May 2006 10:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight
Eeyup,

A couple of points; the questions on the HSE tools (we use the first draft because it is easier to use) aren't such as to elicit false or hyped up responses; for example there is no question that asks 'are you stressed'. When we have run the tools they have mostly just confirmed what managers already knew; their value has been that we have been able to rank the problems, understand something about the relationship of stress issues, and that in a couple of cases what we thought were problems turned out not to be. In other words, in my experience (four surveys so far), the tools are actually slightly more likely to show that there is no problem where one was thought to exist rather than coming back with false positives.

And on the risks of running versus not running surveys, please examine what happened to West Dorset Hospitals NHS Trust before you decide that letting sleeping dogs lie might be sensible.

If this is a trifle incoherent, all I can say is 'I'm sorry I have a cold', but in summary running stress risk surveys has for us by and large been a very positive thing, rather than otherwise,

John
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#5 Posted : 19 May 2006 11:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nigel Hammond
If you do a manual handling risk assessment you would want to know if the people doing the task have back problems. However, the focus is generally on preventative measures such as making sure there is the right equipment and training.

I don't see why stress should be treated differently to other risks. I think it is important to survey the staff. However, the emphasis within the survey should be on finding out whether the management systems for minimising stress are implemented and whether they can be improved - rather than focusing on the individual psychological state to see if they feel stressed. At the IOSH conference one of the HSE speakers suggested that we call it 'Work Organisation' rather than 'stress' which I think is a great idea
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#6 Posted : 19 May 2006 12:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By PETER GANNAWAY
Kieran, I agree with you we are in the realms of "bonkers Conkers" with this one, and on the balance of probabilities, and in the absence of evidence to the contrary, we will do more benefit for the workforce as a whole than harm by running the survey. My problem is that I've been stopped from running the process, until I get clearance (public sector), which causes great frustration.
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#7 Posted : 19 May 2006 14:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan
Peter

I appreciate your difficulty, having both been employed for some years with a local authority in a poorly-managed, poorly-funded service and also having worked with schools at all levels about stress.

In the borough I'm based in, I worked as both an ergonomist and as a counsellor commissioned by a Chief Medical Officer who, despite a very inadequate budget, was a superlative professional whose initiatives made inroads on stress and other critical issues. Part of his success was due to his diplomatic but exttemely stern and well-informed challenges, where necessary in court, to his own line manager, the Director of Personnel.

His successor (after he went on to better paid, better resourced jobs) had much more money and much less competence and credibility. She authorised much more expenditure on stress, a lot of which went on questionnaires that largely measured waste of time and energy. Not a person of her word, she's unforutnately models how a safety specialist makes a mess of an already difficult situation.

This is not to advocate a Don Quixote style for its own sake but to encourage a well-researched, well-informed, imaginative and sustained style of occupational health and safety intervention, likely to gain respect of those with minds inside as well as outwith your organisation.
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