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#1 Posted : 31 May 2006 09:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer Hi All, I am in need of some quick advise about fire alarm sounder volume. The Facilities Manager is about to repl;ace our fire alarm sounders and is specifying a sound level of 70dbA. Can anyone tell me if there is a minimum level set down anywhere (BS etc) and what this minimum level is. The office is open plan with a number of meeting rooms adjacent to the main areas. Thanks Bob.
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#2 Posted : 31 May 2006 09:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alexander Falconer Bob, to my knowledge, there is no specified minimum levels, however it is recommended through one of the BS specifications, alarms should be a minimum of 5 dB higher than the maximum noise levels normally encountered on a typical working day. (obviously to assist personnel in distinguishing the difference from normality and fire conditions). There is no point in specifying a 70 dB level alarm if the normal environment is measured at say 72 dB. Sorry cannot be more precise with regards to the spec, however your fire alarm servicing company may be able to assist
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#3 Posted : 31 May 2006 13:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chas I've always worked on 65dBA or ambient/background noise plus 5dBA
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#4 Posted : 31 May 2006 14:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By stephencarey i believe you may find the info required here. http://www.tcea.org.uk/Documents/Fire-alarms.htm
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#5 Posted : 31 May 2006 14:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Wilson Bob, when I was involved in the comissioning of a new build requiring a fire certificate, the local fire authority checked sound levels of sounders in rooms with the doors closed and had to be a certain level. It would be worthwhile check with the local fire authority, unfortunately I cannot remember exactly what level it was, but around 75-80dB(A) rings a bell..(please forgive the pun.
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#6 Posted : 31 May 2006 15:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By stephencarey in bedrooms say for a hotel when all furnishings doors closed etc. 75db at the bed head is required. Not sure if i would survive the noise from a deep sleep let alone the fire
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#7 Posted : 01 June 2006 06:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By GT Bob, Yet another fire related issue on the thread and it appears that people comment ( helpfully) with a little knowledge which, can be dangerous irrespective of whether they are CMIOSH or other. I would suggest you should concentrate on the fire alarm system being perceptible throughout the building. i.e.If you have occupiers who work in very noisy areas or are hearing impaired then other means for indicating an emergency / evacuation should be used. Levels are therefore not an issue in isolation. Regards GT
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#8 Posted : 01 June 2006 10:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Smiff BS5831 Part 1 is the standard you are looking for. Sounders are available at various SPL outputs and you system should be designed so that they can be heard in the event of an emergency. e.g. if you have small rooms off a coridor, you may have 65dB "compact" sounders in the rooms, but a whopping 105dB sounder in the corridor, or several 90dB ones dotted along the corridor. Factories and warehouses tend to have a few big ones, and office environments have many smaller ones. Risk assess and consider where are people likely to be, and what type of sounder is needed for them to hear it and respond in an unambiguous fashion. Curiously, metal bells are actually having a bit of a renaissance in workplaces where electronic sirens of many kinds are going off all the time. If you have a siren type most have selecable tones to enable them to stand out in certain environments. Don't hesitate to get in touch if you want to know any more.
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#9 Posted : 01 June 2006 11:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer Thanks to everybody who responded, the info was of great use in convincing our facilities team that they needed to modify their plans (read into that what you may. Regards Bob.
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#10 Posted : 01 June 2006 12:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By RobAnybody Bob, I think the previous British Standard quoted was incorrect. Just Browsing through IHS Tech Indexes as I have to deal with fire related matter & the British Standard you want is : BS 5839 - 1:2002, Section 2, 16 Audible alarm signals. Sorry if I've put anyones nose out. Rob.
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#11 Posted : 01 June 2006 15:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Smiff Oops, typo on my behalf, sorry. 5839 it is, and is indellibly burned into my brain after years in the industry, shame I can't type.
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#12 Posted : 04 June 2006 10:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Allen Higginson 65dB - General Levels. 5dB above Ambient noise of more than 60dB which persists for more than 30 seconds. 75dB - At bedheads in systems designed to rise people from sleep. 60dB - In Stairways,areas of no more than 60m2 (cellular offices for example) and areas of "limited extent" (where you are generally getting 65dB apart from a small area where it drops down to but not below 60dB) Levels must not exceed 120dB at any accessible point to the sounder. In places of entertainment or retail outlets where music is likely to be present and above 80dB, the music sholud be muted when the fire alarm goes off (via a relay/interface connected to a contactor for example). In larger installations (production factory for example) you can install secondary mains sounders (earbursters!) to compliment the system, but these must only operate when the production process is running and should isolate when the machinery is not working (fed from common contactor on the same supply circuit as the machinery). Think that (mpostly) covers it!
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