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#1 Posted : 08 June 2006 10:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi Folks, We have a manager in the Charity who had a fairly serious RTC earlier this year. He's now having problems driving, especially on motorways. We want to offer him counselling, and what I'd be interested in is any opinions or experiences people have had with the various theraputic approaches on offer. My instinctive feeling is always for CBT, as I think it has a fairly good evidence base, but I'm not sure if that would be the right approach for this sort of PTSD. I'd also be interested in any experiences with specific providers; we could refer him through our contracted occy health people, but would be prepared to look elsewhere. Anyway, any opinions, as always, gratefully recieved, John
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#2 Posted : 08 June 2006 11:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan John In response to your expression of interest in 'any opinions or experiences people have had with the various theraputic approaches on offer', may I offer the following comments. 1. While CBT has had good PR and was an advance on many methods available during the period when it was developed especially with hospitalized patients. Its strength lies in its emphasis on careful but crisp conceptualisation of the presenting problem and explaining the way ahead to the client rather like a good junior school teacher. 2. Actually the evidence of CBS's is open to question as its 'psycho-educational' basis relies on the client accepting the language of the professional - therein lies the risk when he/she is unwilling or unable to do so; 3. Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) builds on the research into social and cognitive processes underlying CBT and extends it greatly by dwelling on the language of the client rather than the language of the professional and by setting treatment intervention in the larger scenario of the pain that is part of living normally. You can explore ACT through www.contextualpsychology.org. A CMIOSH and C Psychol., I've trained in both CBT and ACT and other cognitive approaches (gestalt and personal construct counselling); I aim to implement the root principle of intervention about PTSD and other presenting difficulties, that both the quality of the relationship between the client and the intervening professional and the quality of conceptualisation of the issues form the critical factor in enabling the client to engage in living well again.
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#3 Posted : 08 June 2006 11:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi Kieran, Thanks for that, very helpful, John
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#4 Posted : 08 June 2006 11:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Kieran Are you saying in short that there are drawbacks to most techniques but it is the counsellor, I hate that word as much as "client" in this context, who is the most important element in the equation? I personally have a lot of major questions in my mind concerning the plethora of counsellors available via various charitable bodies and others. 4 days training and you become a counsellor in a specific area with access to very vulnerable people. They may also be suffering from other anxieties outside the counsellor training programme undertaken. I've seen the consequences. Bob
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#5 Posted : 08 June 2006 12:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan Bob When I wrote: ' I aim to implement the root principle of intervention about PTSD and other presenting difficulties, that both the quality of the relationship between the client and the intervening professional and the quality of conceptualisation of the issues form the critical factor in enabling the client to engage in living well again, what I meant included: 1. research indicates that it's the relationship as well as the conceptualisation of the interactions that matter in PTSD as in other forms of psychological intervention 2. actually avoiding to use the term 'counsellor' as there is conflcting evidence about whether appropriate PTSD intervention is 'counselling' or not More broadly, I share your reservations about the misuse and abuse of claims about counselling; rather like medieval theology and like surgery before the discovery of the function of the heart, a lot goes on under the cover of 'counselling' that may do more harm than good. To reduce the likelihood of muddle, I now prefer to use the term 'psychotherapy' for my work in this area and have re-arranged my professional supervision to accommodate this change. As you probably appreciate, this is a more subtle issue than meets the eye. As you become a seasoned operator, one realises how some clients start off by showing how they expect stereotypical behaviour on the part of the person they consult; when probed, they acknowledge it is not related to the service avaiable to them there and then, which is the option literally before them. Regrettably, the history of over 100 years of professionalism of scientific applications of psychology, and about 36 years of professional occupational psychology, have revealed how difficult it is to get the balance right between state control (through laws, codes, policing and inspections) and science-based innovation. At the same time, having been involved for about 25 years in the counselling-psychotherapy-consulting world, I've become more optimiistic during the last 18 months according as I've gradually learned the ropes both of ACT and of work-related coaching (about which I've written a little piece in the current issue of SHP). Improvements emerge slowly and quietly; I for one find it fulfilling to be involved according as they do.
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#6 Posted : 08 June 2006 12:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter Wy not consider a trip or two with a driving instructor, or even just a friend or colleague, to give adequate reassurance to this person?
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#7 Posted : 08 June 2006 13:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan Ron's proposal makes sense outside the work setting where the HSWA doesn't apply. In the context of the HSWA, it could be very difficult to justify in court the proposal he makes as the preferred outcome of a professional risk assessment, if the employee were later to claim that he/she had been pressurised by the employer to resume driving and either had a road accident or claimed constructive dismissal.
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#8 Posted : 08 June 2006 13:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Hi Ron, Kieran, We probably will consider Ron's proposed solution, but like Kieran I believe that as a stand-alone offer it probably isn't going far enough; not only from a liability perspective but also because this is a very valued, hard working employee who has always gone the extra mile for the Charity; we need to do the same for him (really we should go the extra mile for everybody, but I'm sure you understand my sentiments). Of course, at the end of the day, we have to consider his wishes, and it may be that he won't want any sort of counselling/therapy, but the offer has to be there, john
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#9 Posted : 08 June 2006 13:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kieran J Duignan The 'cultural/ethical' stance seems congruent with the 'charity in name/charity in action' principle. If the employee finds his own sources of re-stabilisation and healing, that's a success too. It would be useful to know next January how he has fared, if he's prepared to share it.
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#10 Posted : 08 June 2006 14:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Gray Have you considered contacting Brakes help line they offer support and advice and may be able to assist you in helping your work mate. They are impartial.
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#11 Posted : 08 June 2006 14:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By J Knight Martin, Brilliant suggestion, I've rung them on their general number and asked if they have any ideas, John
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