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Posted By AJM
Just a short one, Has anyone got any good reccomendations or could anyone point me in the right direction of sourcing externally regognised safety auditors, as we are looking to audit our safety systems and procedures and see where we are.
Alan
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Posted By Ian H
Alan
I have emailed you direct. Not wanting to advertise.
Regards
Ian
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Posted By David Bramall
AJM
Why not advertise the commission in SHP or similar. Use a pre-qualification procedure for applicants, seek references, seek previous examples of audit reports and seek evidence of experience in auditing to your management system. It's no guarantee that you will get the best but it is a good start.
DrB
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Posted By AJM
Thank you for replies to mail and you David, I suppose i was more after the pro's and cons and experiences with external auditors.
Alan
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
Hi Alan,
I suggest that you look for auditors with experience in your particular type of organisation.
Although your systems can be audited relatively straightforwardly, unless the auditor understands the culture, etc. of the business you are may not get the best possible result.
Alan (H)
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Posted By Alison WR
Our financial auditors examined H&S as part of their overall governance checks.
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Posted By A. Fergusson
The first question to ask is why do you require and audit, if it is to measure where you are, identify what waeknesses your
systems have and to improve safety awareness then carry out a self audit, why pay others to tell you what you already know.
BUT if you are looking for advice,support and/or guidance as well external audits may well be of use.
If this is your desired route stat with your insurance company they often offer future disconts in premium if a recognised audit is carried out
Andrew
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Posted By Ian Waldram
Have you read the free IOSH guidance 'Systems in Focus', which says useful things about auditors? If you want more detail, I wrote some guidance for OECD relating specifically to the chemical sector, but much would apply elsewhere. It's available free at http://appli1.oecd.org/o...c.nsf/linkto/env-jm-mono(2005)15. It includes some examples of helpful and unhelpful audits, as well as good practices. Hope this helps.
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Posted By David Bramall
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The problem is this!
Some auditors MAY tell you what you want to hear, others will tell it as it is, others will tell you purely their opinion even if they have to justify their opinion by loose references. These are, in effect, the pros and cons. I refer to my previous response, how you select has a bearing but is not, by any means a guarantee.
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Posted By Tony Brunskill
Hi
David is correct. Some externals will ask for your watch then tell you the time. You need to establish the parameters first. Compliance/Benchmark/Target which is it to be. In reality I feel many organisations get it wrong by "Auditing the Management System". Audit bits of it. The critical bits. General auditing tends to generate an action plan that is unmanageable. Lots of small critical examinations of elemets is a better format than one overall evaluation. Biting off the bits you can chew. Can be more costly initially but is certainly more cost effective in the longer term. Also gives an opportunity to focus other managers in certain areas rather than turn them into H&S experts over night. Define the outcomes in general terms. i.e not "We must put a guard on that m/c" but more "What do we need to do to ensure Guards are not removed in the first place" ABOVE ALL talk to your auditors and make sure your managers talk to your auditors and when your finished talk some more. Auditors only see a snapshot in time its your people who know what really goes on as apposed to what the manual says.
Regards
Tony
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