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#1 Posted : 23 June 2006 11:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes Once a driver has been trained for the safe operation of fork lift training. Is it a legal requirement for refresher training or just a recommendation ?? Thanks for any input
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#2 Posted : 23 June 2006 12:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Debbie S The approved code of practice L117 Rider operated lift truck: operator training states: There is no specific requirement to provide refresher training after set intrevals but even trianed and experienced lift operators need to be re-assessed from time to time to ensure that they continue to operate safely. This assessment should form part of a firms normal monitoring procedure and be formally timetabled to ensure that it is done at reasonable periods.In addition to routine safety monitoring, re-assessment might be appropriate where operators have not used trucks for some time, are occassional users, appear to have developed unsafe working pracrtices, have had an accident or near miss, or their is a change to the working environment or working practices. Hopes this helps - we do refresher every 2 years for everyone as part of our normal procedure. Debbie
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#3 Posted : 23 June 2006 12:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson Good answer from Debbie - we retrain on a refresher basis every three years. Here's a practical reason to refresher train drivers - try explaining the lack of refresher training to the calling HSE inspector after any type of accident or serious injury involving your staff and fork lift trucks - I can see the improvement notice or prohibition notice being written on the spot, depending on severity. You need to be able to constantly prove your drivers' current capabilities - there could be a medical reason that may stop a person from continuing to drive, or a behavioural mannerism that has developed since first being trained that supervision or managers don't see on a day to day basis. The independent assessment / refresher will look for bad habits or alterations in spacial awareness under controlled conditions that are the same for any candidate.
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#4 Posted : 23 June 2006 13:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Debbie S Interestingly I read a document yesterday that says that HGV drivers and bus drivers are going to have to have driver refresher training. This will have to consist of a minimum of 35 hours every 5 years and will be implemeted by 2009. If they cannot demonstrate that they have had this 35 hours then their licence will not be renewed. I believe that the longer you do a particular task the more complacent you can become so I'm all for re-fresher training be it on the site or the public road. Debbie
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#5 Posted : 23 June 2006 13:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh In my experience you retrain every 3 years; if you don't do this and it goes wrong, you would have to justify why you were not conforming to the "norm". Many FLT training compenies put a 3 year expiry on their training certificates and ID cards.
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#6 Posted : 23 June 2006 16:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ali It's not essential and I concur with previous comment re-L117. However, there is no harm in making it "company policy" to have a refresher every so often for a number of reasons such as long term sickness absence, accidents or near misses, age related hearing/sight/reflexes (without getting into age discrimination) and of course "continued competency". Otherwise, how can you demonstrate competency after several years ? They would need to be "authorised" too and it may be a good idea to tie the two dates together.
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#7 Posted : 23 June 2006 16:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason911 A Fork lift license is similar to a driving license and technically only has to be passed once. However the earlier point about the HSE and an accident is spot on. We hold monthly FLT meetings to discuss issues and each driver must have an assessment every 12 months and receive an authority to drive signed by the manager at their location.
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#8 Posted : 23 June 2006 17:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke Hi Its generally the insurance company that make a stipulation about the frequency of refresher training. The gov is in the process of funding NVQ level 2's. This way you could get your FLT drivers up to scratch for free. Regards Linda SHE Knows.
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#9 Posted : 23 June 2006 17:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman We had an annual "evaluation" of truckies. Supervisor took time to think about each truckie and decide if they needed re-training. Whatever the supervisor evaluation, truckies had refresher training every three years. I got my permit in 1982. Only occasionally drove a truck so got out of practice. Permit was revoked in 1986 for lack of spatial awareness. Retrained and passed in 2002. But what consultant actually needs a FLT permit ? The files ain't that heavy. Merv Question : when just driving along, at what height should the most forward point of the load, or the forks, be ? And why ?
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#10 Posted : 23 June 2006 17:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew W I'm glad this thread came up and I've watched the responses with interest. I had this argument with a training provider who swore me blind that it was a legal requirement to refresher train every 3 years via ITSSAR/RTITB. I argued the opposite. (Though refresher training will be done) All training used to be carried out by a non accredited internal trainer who I no longer use. Was I wrong in this decision? Andy W
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#11 Posted : 23 June 2006 17:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Linda Crossland-Clarke Merv As near to heels and as low as poss. x Linda
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#12 Posted : 23 June 2006 17:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Nigel Souster Linda, I thought the the general concensus was to leave the forks tilted back when travelling. This leaves the end of the forks at shin height, which I was told by my last instructor, causes less damage when you hit somebody's legs. This heals better, quicker, easier than the ankle. Nigel
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#13 Posted : 23 June 2006 18:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Davelfc There are many providers NOPRS, RITTB, CITB My firms & previous firms chosen route was CITB/CPCS Trained Operatives, who start on a red card after normally a five day training course though can be assessed if an experienced worker, Once they have passed their training are awarded the City n Guilds certificate, and a log book, once they have conducted their touch screen test recieve the red trained worker card. they then have 300 hours logged in to their book which must be completed in a 2 year period but a minimum of 6 months to gain experience. filled in by an enabler, and checked by a registered validator (manager), who authentiucates the hours completed in specific machine The operator then upgrades to the blue card incidently the experienced worker gets a green card. Both are Competency cards. The idea with this is that if they are operatingover 300 hours annually and conducting they their touch screen test they are operating a machine enough not to suffer skill fade on that particular machine and so long as they are passing their test then should not need re-assessing. If you have an operator that is operating eractically or having incidents then assessment is appropriate, but an experienced operator who regularly operates the machine and is safe, there is no requirement under this scheme to re-assess as he already has proven competence Dave they the
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