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#1 Posted : 11 July 2006 10:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sharon Stephenson Morning All, I hope someone can be of some assistance to me. I have a situation on site whereby our lift keeps breaking down and the engineers come out and fix it, (it's usually only a day before its broke again!!!). Now the lift company we use say it needs new parts and requires to be repaired. They have sent their engineers back to my premises and at the moment it is being fixed. I've asked to see the lift contractors risk assessments and method statements for the work being done and they appear to be in order however i do not undestand the principles of the work they are doing. My concern is that I've rather lost faith in the lift contractor and I am worried about what they are doing and is it actually safe. I cannot see what they are doing as it is behind the closed doors on the lift landings. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do to ensure the work is being carried out safely? Thanks all, Sharon
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#2 Posted : 11 July 2006 10:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anwar Afzal Sharon I would change them asap, we have had similar problems and my opninion is they just think you are a money making machine. If they continually breakdown, they should have been able to identify the problems by now, although they want to do is be on your payroll permantly so move on and have them replaced and tell the new contractors that they need to deal with it once and they jsut the 6 monthly inspections.
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#3 Posted : 11 July 2006 10:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Safe Elevator Sharon, I will be able to assist you. Contact me direct via my web-site at www.liftsafety.co.uk Regards, Safe Elevator Services
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#4 Posted : 11 July 2006 11:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson Slow down the expenses immediately - Have a written-in guaranteed period of time warranty into your contract - no working lift - no payment for work. Ask them for a written appraisal of the current mechanical and electrical state of your lift, and compare it to the statutory examination report that you receive each year. You DO have your lift examined independently under LOLER statute each year ?? The specialist advice already offered in the above thread is well worth considering if you do not know enough about the workings of the lift. "COMPETENT PERSON" is shouted out at me here?? Nothing derogatory implied as no one is the ultimate expert in all things - use those who specialise to give you good advice. I would seek advice in this specialist area, and I have been involved in maintenance works of all descriptions for thirty years - no shame to ask !
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#5 Posted : 11 July 2006 14:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Keith A Martin Hi sharon, Working as a statutory examiner of lifting equipment, including lifts. I hope I can put your mind to rest about how safe it is to work within a lift shaft (if not about the compentancy of your Engineers!). A lift has a multitude of safety features that prevent accidental opening of Landing doors if the lift is not at that level. For an enginner to enter a lift shaft he needs to override the mechanical door interlock at his level when the top of the lift car is level with the landing floor level. Once the landing door is open the lift can't operate as the control circuit has been broken, by the door switch. The enginner can then enter the lift shaft by stepping onto the top of the car, and switching the car car top controls from normal to inspection mode. (At this point they should then leave the shaft and reclose the door and ensure normal operation of lift is prevented) Once in the shaft with the door closed the enginner has complete control of all lift movements with in the shaft, whilst in inspection mode. I hope this helps to ease your mind as to what safety features are in place to ensure safe working within a lift shaft. I would also recommend that your 6 monthly statutory examinations (And annual LG1) are carried out by a company independant from the maintance engineers, as this gives you a second opinion as to the general condition of the lift and lets you know if adequate maintenace is being carried out. Hope this helps Keith Martin Statutory Test Examiner Babcock Naval Services
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#6 Posted : 11 July 2006 15:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson Can I just say - spot on advice there from the horse's mouth as it were! Hope that you are sorted soon.
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#7 Posted : 12 July 2006 10:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sharon Stephenson Morning All, Thank you for the information received in the posts it has helped slightly. I'm still unsure about the safe working procedures being adopted by the lift engineers on site. The information provided by Keith has got me thinking even more as the engineers are carrying out repairs so they should not require control of the lift and it should be isolated. I think I will need some specialist advice on this....... Kind Regards Sharon Stephenson
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