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#1 Posted : 26 July 2006 11:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Amjad Ata Hi, I wiould to know more information about the subject mentioned above (how to be RSP .. etc) Thanks in advance Amjad
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#2 Posted : 26 July 2006 11:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sheila EJ Keogh You be RSP anymore, as IOSH now has it Chartered status, and practitioners who were RSP are now Chartered (CMIOSH). etc. See the "about membership" info in the purple left-hand panel on this web site.
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#3 Posted : 26 July 2006 12:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hazel Harvey Sheila is quite right. The Register of Safety Practitioners held by IOSH was withdrawn on 17th November 2005. All those on the register were transferred to Chartered Membership of IOSH. At the same time the category of Member was withdraw, other than for those people who are making their way to the Chartered status (CMIOSH) by demonstration of CPD activity. This will then disappear at the end of 2007. All new entrants to IOSH holding higher level accredited qualifications need to spend at least 2 years in the Graduate Member category whilst they complete a period of assessed Initial Professional Development (IPD). Hazel Harvey Director of Professional Affairs
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#4 Posted : 26 July 2006 14:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Caboche Hazel, just out of interest can you tell me how many chartered members there are now in IOSH, If I recall corectly there used to be about 6500 on the Register of Safety Practicioners (I may not have recalled correctly however...), obviously as people complete CPD cycles and gain chartered status the chartered numbers will go up and the old MIOSH catagory numbers will fall. I have no agenda here, I am merely curious as to numbers in the institution. Apologies for hijacking the thread. John Caboche
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#5 Posted : 26 July 2006 15:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Mitchell Hi Hazel, Also, I joined as a humble techIOSH member this year. I am now undertaking CPD (and finding it very useful). What will be my membership progression route from now on in? I thought techIOSH, MIOSH, CMIOSH (touch wood!) but this has confused me. Cheers Ian M
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#6 Posted : 26 July 2006 16:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hazel Harvey There are currently 6,735 Chartered Members and 552 Chartered Fellows (I just ran a stats. report). The final tally of RSPs was just over 5000 (Fellows and Members). There are 7631 Members/Fellows still to complete their CPD and move to 'Chartered'. The progression to Chartered Membership is still similar, the difference is that the Graduate Membership category has replaced the MIOSH category. However, there is in fact no specific experience requirement to enter Graduate Membership, as there was with MIOSH as this experience will be assessed by the Initial Professional Development (IPD) process once a person has entered Graduate Member. IPD is a minimum of 2 years so for more experienced people who can complete all the elements of IPD the path to 'CMIOSH' is a little quicker than to the old RSP which required three years after qualification. Less experienced people such as new graduates entering the field may find that it will take them more than the minimum 2 years to complete IPD as the criteria are quite strict and you do need a lot of experience in practice to complete the process. Hazel Harvey Director of Professional Affairs
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#7 Posted : 26 July 2006 18:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Mitchell Hi again Hazel, does this mean I will now go techIOSH - gradIOSH - minimum 2 years - CMIOSH? No snootiness intended I promise, but I would feel that gradIOSH from techIOSH is a retrograde step as the letters on their own do not distinguish between newbies' and those with, quite feasibly, many years experience, whether or not the latter's tenure in the gradIOSH bracket would be arguably much shorter. I am proud of my humble achievements thus far (for the 'right' reasons of demonstrating professional integrity) and I am worried that some of the (admittedly very limited) 'kudos' of my letters would be diluted. Hope this has come across correctly as I am not snooty! Ian M
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#8 Posted : 27 July 2006 09:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hazel Harvey Ian, Yes you do have to go into the Graduate Member category of IOSH before you can progress to Chartered Membership. I understand why as an experienced person you would prefer not to be called a Graduate, however, this name was the choice of the IOSH Council and was accepted by the Privy Council. When we were producing the draft Byelaws for Privy Council approval they were insistent that there should be a clear differentation from those who were in practice and had been assessed as competent by their peer group (Chartered) and those who as yet had not completed this or were retired. We did try and maintain the MIOSH but it just wasn't to be. We will, however, be promoting the Graduate and Techncian categories of membership as a 'broad church' of members and pointing out that many in both of the categories will be experienced and competent and just working their way through the hierachy of the membership structure. An employer's guide pointing this out is currently in production. Hazel Harvey Director of Professional Affairs
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#9 Posted : 27 July 2006 09:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Hay Without wishing to hyjack this thread or to open an old can of worms, I do wonder how many current Techs would prefer to keep the postnominals TechIOSH (although they would actually hold Graduate membership)once they have attained the relevent quals. I am 2 thirds way through my level 6 (hope to complete by the end of the year)and beleive that many peoples perception of Graduate membership would be a 21 year old out of uni with no experience, despite in my case 12 years experience. I think its a shame that IOSH didn't take this into account. Just my thoughts! P
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#10 Posted : 27 July 2006 10:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hazel Harvey Paul, I don't really see any reason you can't continue with the TechIOSH designation whilst your in the Graduate category you would be entitled to use it so I suppose really its a matter of choice. IOSH would only reprimand people who use a higher designation to which their not entitled or AIOSH on business cards if your an Affiliate (as there is no designation with this category). Using one to which you are entitled - no problem. Hazel
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#11 Posted : 27 July 2006 12:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Mitchell Hiya Hazel. Thank you for taking our enquiries in the spirit they were meant. I do know that IOSH values all of its members whether they are affiliates or chartered fellows. Interesting point about the technician designation. Will this eventually become obsolete also, ending up with affiiates (no letters), grads and CM/CFIOSH's? How about Grad(Tech)IOSH? Would this self-explanatory designation get me in trouble? Regards Ian
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#12 Posted : 27 July 2006 12:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alice Hi Sorry to hijack this thread slightly but I wonder if anyone can help me with an 'RRP' query please... eligibility for RRP status is obviously based on qulaifications, experience and CPD. I have over 2 years experience and plenty of CPD points but I'm not sure that my qualifications are strong enough. I need a "recognised risk practitioner type qualification i.e. an insurance, financial, health and safety, audit type qualification". I have IOSH Managing Risk, NEBOSH General Cert, IRM MoRU and am studying for the IRM Diploma. Do you think I would be granted RRP on this basis? Thanks
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#13 Posted : 27 July 2006 12:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mev I remember a lot of people threatening to leave IOSH when they lost TechSP, I wonder if many did? I know i did
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#14 Posted : 27 July 2006 14:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ali There is no more RSP's - only Members of IOSH and Chartered MIOSH. You have a 2yr cycle to accrue 20 pts - soon to become 30 pts for CMIOSH. I'm working on mine now and although I already have 20 pts, I have to wait for June 2007 - end of my cycle.
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#15 Posted : 27 July 2006 14:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hazel Harvey Ian, I don't think I would have any objection to the hybrid designation but I am not sure that Council Members who make the poilcy may feel the same. I'll certainly float this before the Professional Committee (PC) at their next meeting to get their reaction. The Byelaws are quite specific on the designations that are used which could go against use like this. In some of the early discussions by the PC there was a proposal to withdraw the Technician Membership category. However, the elected IOSH Council over-ruled this as they believed that the Technician Members were important in the delivery of health and safety in the workplace and that the combination of Chartered and Techncian Members was important in their complementary roles. So I guess the answer to your query is that it is extremely unlikely that the Techncian Member category will be removed. It is now firmly established in the IOSH Byelaws which were approved by the Privy Council. IOSH currently have 9,616 Techncian Members so I guess the answer to how many have left is very few any member who may have left is, of course, welcome back if they choose. The new membership structure is spelt out in detail in the 'about membership' section to the left of this screen but just to clarify there is no longer a MIOSH category for new entrants, it is only those members, who joined before November 17th 2005, who are eligible for transitional arrangments who can use CPD to progress to Chartered Member. For new entrants, with higher level accredited qualifications (see the list in about membership) the route is Graduate Member then a period of Initial Professional Development which includes a formal assessment or development of a skills portfolio (depending on route of entry) and a peer review interview as well as completing CPD. Hazel Harvey Director of Professional Affairs
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#16 Posted : 27 July 2006 17:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Mitchell A very useful thread, I am learning a great deal. So, I am currently undertaking 3 year/30pts CPD as a techIOSH member and have eight points so far (in defence I only started in the spring!!). My highest OSH qualification is a distinction in the general certificate (L3). Although it goes without saying I am keen to make the natural progression along the qualifications chain, and will be doing so anyway, would it be possible to move up the membership ladder based on CPD evidence alone? I understood that to be MIOSH (or equivalent now) L4 or greater OSH quals were needed in addition to experience. Clearly obtaining sufficient points (and crucially - justifying them in an audit) without academic evidence may be difficult.
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#17 Posted : 28 July 2006 11:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hazel Harvey Ian, No you can't move up the membership ladder by competing CPD alone. The only people doing this were those who were already qualified to MIOSH level before the new byelaws were introduced. They would have had to have an accredited qualification and be able to demonstrate 3 years OHS Practice experience to have entered this grade. CPD is now a requirement for all members other than Affiliates so as a Technician Member you need to complete as you will when you are a Graduate Member. You will also have to undertake the IPD requirements satisfactorily before moving to Chartered Membership. CPD is about maintaining and developing competence and is an on-going process, it is not really about initial development. The transitional arrangements recognise that people already have demonstrated their initial competence but also show that they are committed to maintaining these levels of knowledge and skills. Hazel Harvey Director of Professional Affairs
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