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Posted By Jason McQueen
I was hoping that someone could help me out. Im currently reviewing the company drivers/driving policy and note that there is a requirement to conduct risk assessments for driving activites.
Having read the advice from Croners, it pretty much reads that it is required that every driver conducts a risk assessment before they conduct a journey anywhere. When I think about the amount of journeys that our staff make to me that is pretty much unworkable and in all reality isnt going to happen.
Just wondered what other people did to meet this requirement?
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Posted By Sally Pritlove
Hi Jason I have a colleague who specialises in conducting this work. He runs courses that can assess the driving skills of the employee and has been proven to reduce insurance costs. I am currently trying to get IOSH to accept the course as part of the CPD programme as it is a huge area missing from most professional courses for ouselves and the employee. If you'd like details please let me know and I shall happily put you in touch.
Regards
Sally
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Posted By Bill Parkinson
Jason I have read through the literature including the Croner Occupational Road Risk folder. An assessment is not required before every journey as you can do an assessment based on average journey lengths etc. There are other factors which need to be considered such as when do they usually start their journey and on average how long are they driving for etc. Also need to be bear in mind the Working Time Regulations as this may be classed as working time and you could get close to or exceed the requirements of ensuring adequate rest periods. There is also the issue as to private vehicles being used for business purposes (so anything outside of to/from their normal place of work) as the vehicle then becomes subject to PUWER requirements. Then there is the issue of checking driving licenses and insurance for private vehicles and so on!! Can of worms and lid coming off spring to mind!
I am putting a draft MORR policy together and know this is not going to go down too well but needs to be done as we had a presentation from a Principal HSE Inspector who basically spelt out what they would require even though RTAs are not reportable under RIDDOR !!
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Posted By Jason McQueen
Hi Bill,
Im pretty much on with the working time and the licence checks etc but its the assessment of journeys thats a concern.
We have four sites (one of which is a sister company but a lot of our staff are commuting to and from it right now) and there is any number of staff traveling to and from each site at any one time, using different routes and different times of the day etc. Very rarely are they actually planned, its more of a case of 'I just need to pop to such and such site' so off they go.
Reading the Croners info, it states that 'the employer should carry out a risk assessment for each driver'. This is creating the problem.
I could have devised a generic risk assessment to take into account an 'a typical' journey from point a to point b but when you have to take each individual driver into account it becomes a little more difficult. Then when you take into account that they travel at different times, take different routes and use various cars sometimes depending on what the hire firm has in stock....
You can see how this starts to get awkward.
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Posted By Jason McQueen
Oh, and then there are the one off journeys to places....
So to me, you need to be aware of every journey that every driver makes and risk assess accordingly. The same route at different times of the day could present different issues etc. I suppose if the same route was used, in the same car, with the same driver and at the same time of day then one risk assesment for this would suffice
but given the amount of variables in the equation how realistic is that?
I dont know, maybe I've just been out in the sun too long.
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Posted By terryt
I think it is so easy to go OTT with driving policies. As you rightly say drivers are not going to do a written risk assessment before each journey.
I think it really means that each driver should think before they go on a journey - are they familiar with the car; do they know the route; have they got enough time to get there without speeding; if its a long journey where are they going to stop for a break; do they know what to do if they break down?
I don't think you can do this for them - give them guidance and let them do it. People have to take personal responsibility for their own actions - if they don't follow the guidance then they are responsible.
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Posted By Jason McQueen
Whilst I agree with you Terry that would be the logical interpretation, we all know logic and reality often part ways at an early age in this world.
Concern with that interpretation would be that in the even of an accident, you could just imagine someone (insurers, police etc) wanting to see the risk assessment conducted for that specific journey to take into account traffic black spots, peak traffic time etc etc.
But, I think the only way this is realistically feasible is just to generalise with the assessment and ensure you have specific information to back it up i.e. maintenance records for each vehicle, copies of driving licences to prove they are legally able to drive etc.
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Posted By GJB
Technically you could argue that EVERY journey is different... Different times of the day represent different traffic volumes, weather conditions, pedestrians, speed camera locations, etc.
I know for sure that 'Advanced driving lessons' are available, but are people suggesting before we start every journey we need to have a written risk assessment?? Please don't tell Clarkson or The Press... They'd have a field day!
I tend to do my own risk assessment (Not written incidentally) that says, check the road in front of you is clear, stop at red traffic lights, be aware of your surroundings, etc.
Any one else use this method??
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