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#1 Posted : 03 August 2006 09:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason911 I have been advised that supplying employees with steel toe caps in areas in which fork lift trucks operate is not necessarily a good idea. Apparaently this is because in the event that a wheel of a fork lift should run over their foot it would do much more damage and result in possibly severed toes, as opposed to broken bones. I don't fancy either myself but would appreciate your thoughts.
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#2 Posted : 03 August 2006 09:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap Who advised you of this? Management! Nonsense. What about the kit the fork lift is moving. This may fall. What about vehicle segregation. I've never heard of this. I have on occasions worked on docks where the handling a dn movement of cargo is common. And we all wear steelies amongst other ppe
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#3 Posted : 03 August 2006 10:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins Years and years ago, when steel toecaps were in their infancy, I believe that it was possible - if run over - for the toecap to fold backwards into the foot and this could obvioulsy cause the injury you describe. I do not believe that any current design would do that, but why not contact one or more of the manufactures for reassurance? Alan
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#4 Posted : 03 August 2006 10:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason911 Thanks for the impartial advice Toecap. Unfortunatly complete vehicle segregation is not possible in our business. I also have a concern as to whether we should be issuing non slip shoes, or whether there is a worthy provider of non slip floor surfaces out there, as ours seem to have little effect. Any thoughts?
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#5 Posted : 03 August 2006 10:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap I would go for the non slip surface. As this is good for all(including vehicles) and not just the shoe wearer.
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#6 Posted : 03 August 2006 10:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Derby I have come across this statement/idea previously. The suggestion being that a heavy flt will cause the crushing steel toecap to act as a guillotine. It is nonsense. I have seen two incidents where a flt has just caught the front of someones safety boot and they escaped conpletely uninjured, not the case if they had been wearing soft shoes I'm sure. A while ago there was a programme on cable TV (Mythbusters) which conducted an experiment to test this theory. They found that the toes of someone severely crushed in safety boots would be saveable but an unprotected foot exposed to the same force was amputated or mutilated beyond repair. I include this last paragraph as a point of interest as i was at one point considering conducting the same experiment with some extremities acquired from a butcher to persuade non-believers and do not advocate risk based decisions based on Cable TV entertainment shows!! regards Steve
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#7 Posted : 03 August 2006 12:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Melanie Black I too have had experience of an employee having the front of their safety boot ran over by a fork lift truck. The leather of the boot was a bit worse for wear afterwards, and the steel toe cap looked slightly out of shape, but I dread to think what his foot would have looked like without the boot on. As another response correctly stated, you also have to consider the risk of goods that are being moved falling onto peoples feet as apposed to simply the risk of the vehicles running over people's feet. Of course, segregated walkways/traffic routes are always favoured, but considering how relatively inexpensive safety shoes are I think they are a good additional means of protection. The ones I purchase also have non-slip soles. I have a very graphic picture of a foot that has been run over by a FLT (safety shoes weren't worn). It didn't happen at my place of work thank God, but it shows just what can happen if safety shoes aren't worn. If anybody would like a copy (be warned, it isn't pretty), I will forward it to them. Mel
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#8 Posted : 03 August 2006 12:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By gham I HAVE Heard of this.... on Mythbusters, they tried to prove it would sever the toes and guess what... myth busted they could replicate the claim with any type of safety steel toecapped boot That's scientific proof if you ask me
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#9 Posted : 03 August 2006 14:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Darren J Fraser Hi Melanie Any chance of a copy of that picture please Regards Darren
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#10 Posted : 03 August 2006 15:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By energy saver I would like that photo if you dont mind, it would be good to show one or two employees that has the mind set of 'it will never happen to me'
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#11 Posted : 03 August 2006 16:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap And me
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#12 Posted : 03 August 2006 16:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By mark ryan Would I be able to get a copy of that picture please Mel
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#13 Posted : 03 August 2006 16:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason911 Mel, I didn't think I wanted a copy but then I was eating my lunch at the time. Now I have digested it I think I'd like one. How does that work then? Jason
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#14 Posted : 03 August 2006 17:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Webster Having had my foot run over by a FLT whilst wearing steelies, I can assure you that the only injury I suffered was bruising of the middle part of the top of my foot. The toecap sucessfully supported the weight of the truck without any damage at all.
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#15 Posted : 03 August 2006 17:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By JD Chalmers I was once walking beside someone as they were chatting to a FLT driver who drove over his foot, he was wearing trainers and I was the first aider. I sat him down and was about to take his shoe off but thought better of it, I elevated it, made him comfy and waited for the Ambulance. He was off work for months but on his return he said he was told by the hospital that he would have lost his toes if he was wearing safety shoes. My personal opinion is that this "myth" started as an attempt during a compensation claim to limit the amount withheld from the claiment due to contributory negligence. " I know I should have worn my boots M'lud but lucky I forgot coz the Doc says if I had I would have suffered a worse injury so please do not with hold a proportion of my money for being clever/lucky enough to forget to wear my PPE" PS I would like a copy of the photo please.
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#16 Posted : 03 August 2006 17:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason911 I appreciate all you opionions. Thank you. Does anyone have anyone advice on supplying these to around 1000 workers? i.e what do you do regarding employees who are hired, supplied with boots and then don't last a week in the job? Perhaps you let them keep the boots but dock the cost from their wages or you demand the boots back? If you do that though surely you can't reissue them can you? Also does anyone know of an effective safety shoe for use on a non slip floor surface that gets greasy with vegtable oil? Many thanks
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#17 Posted : 03 August 2006 17:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman I have a photo available of a safety shoe still squashed under a FLT. The wearer was able to withdraw his foot from the shoe without injury. The H&S person who sent me the photo told me that the wearer was from an agency and had been on site for no more than two hours. E-mail requests only please. "me toos" take up too much space on the forum. And I am sure that the monitors don't like it much. (though they are too polite to say so) Merv
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#18 Posted : 13 August 2006 12:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Duncan Macintosh Hi Melanie, could you please e-mail me a copy of the photo, I'd be much obliged. e-mail address: duncan_macintosh@hotmail.com Regards Duncan
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#19 Posted : 13 August 2006 22:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sam Roberts Jason911 well that is a coincidence, remember me saying i was offered a position after posting on this site, well it is for a Company that specialises in Non Slip treatments. What a laugh if I was sent to test the CoF of yours floors. yours in safety Sam
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#20 Posted : 14 August 2006 09:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By andy pollard hi melanie please could you e-mail me a copy of your photo as i feel it will help to draw attention to the importance of safety shoes,for our office staff who access our yard who feel that they do not need to wear safety shoes thanks. andy@ermin
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#21 Posted : 14 August 2006 12:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jason Wiggins Could I please have a copy of the picture to? Many Thanks. Email jwiggin3@landrover.com
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#22 Posted : 14 August 2006 13:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By sharon Field hate to say this but can I have a copy too many thanks shaz sharon.field@vision-twentyone.com
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#23 Posted : 14 August 2006 13:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Beveridge Hi Jason, If you want to contact me 'off forum' I may be able to help with ideas on re-use of footwear; agency protective footwear; the issue and recovery of used footwear and slippery floors and footwear as we have been through all of that in the past few months. Regards Andy
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#24 Posted : 14 August 2006 16:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ann Guerrini Hi Mel, Would you send me a photo too. Many thanks in advance. Ann
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