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Posted By skooter1
Hi all,
Ok I have a qusetion. Usually in my job I have to producer RA's MS's fgor various jobs as we are a subcontractor. We have just won a contract where we are now going to be the principle contractor for the client.
Can you help me out withy what Paperwork we have to have in place.
So far I know we need
1.An F10 if reportable.
2.Health and Safety Poster
3.Liability Incurence Certificate
4.Copy of our Health and Safety Policy/Environmental policy
5.Emergency Evacuation Plan
6.MS's and RA's
Now is where I need the help...
what else would i need, and if neccessary i was thinking about putting together a Principle contractors pack for when we go on to site so that we have the basics like H & S posters, first Aid kits, Signage etc...
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Posted By Ian Mitchell
Hi Skooter,
Congratulations! Presuming your job falls under CDM, you should have received a pre-tender health and safety plan from the client which will have formed part of the selection process to ascertain tenderer competency and adequacy of resourcing regarding safety of the works. You must have therefore passed their criteria by offering best value (not necessarily lowest price!). You must now expand on this plan to create your Construction Phase Health and Safety Plan. This must be a live document that you refer to at all stages of the works and amend as the project dictates. You must show all your workers, and any subbies/visitors relevant parts of this plan. It is the 'bible' for site safety when used correctly and I cannot stress the importance enough! Regards Ian M
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Posted By Ian Mitchell
PS the emergency evacuation plan can be part of the CP H+S Plan rather than stand-alone. I can email you one of mine if you wish, for layout purposes but you will need to fill the blanks in yourself rather than use generic terms.
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Posted By skooter1
Thank you Ian,
Would you have any examples that i could down load from a website or have one sent to me on my e-mail address.
As we are doing this I want to get it right first time.
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Posted By Ian Mitchell
Hi Skooter, email me on ian.mitc[cutthissout]hell@bsc-group.net and I'll see what I can do! (usual client confidentiality applies - I will remove all job-specific details. Take out the stuff in the brackets as this is to avoid phishing.
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Posted By skooter1
Thank you very much Ian.
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Posted By Safetynut
hi Ian would you be good enough to forward a copy of the CPHSP template over to me as sometimes we are appointed as PC and would like to compare documents if it is not too much trouble that is.
Thanking you in advance
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Posted By Ian Mitchell
sent... Ian M
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Posted By Rob Yuill
Not wishing to comment on your own abilities, it would appear that the client may just have appointed a principal contractor who is not competent.
For your company to have been appointed there should have been a pre-tender plan in place and presented as part of the tender documentation, this can be the template to use for the constuction phase plan.
Are you aware of who the planning supervisor is? Has the client even appointed one? Are you in contact with the designer?
No wonder the HSE are beefing up the client duties in the forthcoming revision to CDM. HSG 224 ACoP and Guidance to CDM will be of use in your situation. Ensure the construction phase is tightly managed!
Sorry to go on, but clients who duck their duty really pee me off!
Rob
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Posted By Ian Mitchell
Hi Rob. If you read my initial response; the paragraph from "Congratulations" to "not necessarily the lowest price" but with your mindset applied you can see what I was hinting at politely!
Skooter mate - I would suggest your company buys the excellent "Managing Safety In Construction" from the HSE for a tenner. It puts the CDM regs into plain speak and explains who does what. If your CPH+S plan is to be effective you have to know who is who on the job and where you 'fit in' to the regs and the project. In fairness to any interested readers, I have spoken with Skooter off-forum and the job is at the very small end of the scale. Nevertheless, that would be no defence in the event of an incident.
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Posted By Dave Wilson
at first glance it would appear that the Client / PS has made an elemental mistake here! (No change there then) in appointing a company who has no experience of CDM or Principle Contracting. (not getting at scooter here, but this is quite typical).
How can a PC put together a realistic quote if they have not taken any regard of the Pre tender H&S plan, In essence this is a PC worse case scenario as if it is a one price job and you get extras you will have to bear the cost. Client / PS told you as part of the tender.
Scaffold / Asbestos / Utilities / Fire / Plant / welfare / site meetings / liaison with Subbies etc etc its now all yours.
This why the HSE/C are changing this, the Planning Sup oin this job needs a 'slap' and in essence the PC has just admitted that they are not competent in this area on an open public forum, Big Brother is watching you!!
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Posted By David MacFarlane
Scooter1,
Perhaps you should think about enrolling on a CDM course, there are plenty available and usually good value. I went on a refresher a few months ago, I found it worthwhile. It would help your understanding for future contracts where you will be PC - all going well with this one of course!
David M.
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